Smitty Son's Top 20 All Time Fighters List *Forgive the Length*

Arguello over saddler anytime

 

Question: did Chavez defend the championship or belts over 30 times?

Canzoneri fought more atgs, more often and ina better era. Of course he loses some. Chavez fought some good fighters but his resume is not comparable to that of Canzoneri.

I think Canzoneri would use his judge of distance, evasiveness and counterpunching to beat Chavez at jww. Chavez would outwork him at jlw. At lw it´s a toss up I think.
I don´t factor in h2h when compiling lists though.

 

Yes he should. Big time.

And Canzoneri I have over Chavez by about 20 places.

 

In this era its impossible to defend the "Championship" there are different belt holders in every division, bottom line he beat the best guys available, never ducked anyone and was the best in his division, in fact for a number of years he was considered Best in Boxing period! You cant fault him for their being so many belts around, he beat numerous champions and former champions so its the same thing.

 

GTFOHatsch

 

No, it is not. Beeing the best in your division is not the same as beeing the champ. Ask Roy Jones Jr. While he was the best in the division somebody else was champ and defended this title over ten times. So it is possible.

 

We are not talking about Roy JONES!

IF Chavez wasnt the real champ who was? Who did he duck? He beat just about all the best available competition. Do you remember this?

 

Sorry anarci but you are selling Canzoneri waaaay short here mate.

He is clearly a few spots above Chavez alltime, maybe not 20 or even a dozen but there is a clear enough margin between them...even the mayor of Culican would concede that.

 

I know a lot of people that would rate Chavez above Canzoneri:yep

But then again being on the classic it shouldnt surprise me for that any of you would rate him higher. I rate Canzoneri high just not as high as Chavez. Have Canzoneri in the top 25

 

Well, Chavez never was the champ at sfw. He beat R. Mayweather who was the champ but after he lost his championship to Lockridge and he beat Lockridge but after Lockridge lost that title to Gomez who Chavez never fought. He may have been the best but he was never the champ.

Chavez was the champ at lw after he beat Rosario but he only defended that title two times before vacating it.

Chavez was the jww champ after he beat Meldrick Taylor, he held that title until he lost it to Randall and then won it back and held it again until he lost it to DLH. He defended it 13 times during that time.

So, overall this are 15 defences of the championship and not over 30 like you claim.

 

Which just proves how overated Chavez is. Don´t get me wrong I like him and his style and imo people are wrong when they describe him as a brawler but ranking him as high as you do and above somebody like Canzoneri is overating him.

 

Whats with you and your denial with Chavez:huh He beat the two best guys at JL which were Lockridge,Mayweather and a slew of other fighters Martinez,Laporte etc beat the best available, Gomez was badly faded when he got a gift over Lockridge. Chavez would have hurt Gomez and busted him up badly. Rosario was the man at lightweight when Chavez dominated him. You conveniently left out how there was 4 years between Taylor and Randall. If you wanna nit pick Chavez supposed "Real Defenses" I can make lot of great fighters records look mediocre. Tell me how would it have be possible for any of the modern fighters to make a number of "Championship" defenses? Your definition of title defenses is weak i shouldnt have to dissect this for you. Was Chavez considered number 1 pfp for many years? Were you a fan then? I have a feeling you werent or else you wouldnt try and down play his dominance.

 

No.
Explain your reason.

 

Which denial? I rate Chavez in my Top25, just not in my Top15 and not ahead of Canzoneri. What´s with your denial of Canzoneri?

Yep, he did but neither was the champ at the time he fought them, so Chavez never became the champ. It´s that easy. What Chavez would have done doesn´t count. Or do you rate fighters on what they would have done?

True, and I wrote so in my posting.

Yeah, I didn´t write down that there were 4 years inbertween but that does not matter here because it´s about number of title defences and not years.

You didn´t dissect anything. The real title is the only thing that counts. Holders of belts are just contenders but no champs. That´s why Hopkins didn´t break Monzon´s title defence record for example.

Why would I need to have been a fan of his to judge him? Strange logic. It looks like you let your bias cloud your judging. That´s fine since it´s easily recognisable. :good

 

Yeah no fight footage, there is an video interview he did when he worked as the janitor for Madison Square Garden (as seen in my avater). I have him top 15, quality fighter.