Smokin Bert Cooper V Floyd Patterson ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Jun 11, 2019.

  1. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    Berts chances here are probably not all great .. but as we've seen lately, anything can happen in boxing .
    The Cooper that put Holyfield down up against Floyd , who didn't have the greatest of Chin , with all respect .
    What happens ..15 round s ?
  2. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

    Sep 8, 2013
    Now that is a fun matchup. If the Bert from the Dewitt ir Mercer fight shows up he just might get Patterson out of there.
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

    Mar 3, 2019
    I've got Bert catching Floyd while he's leaping in
  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Bronsonville Full Member

    Jul 25, 2015
    Patterson, after being stung and knocked down in some fierce exchanges.
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    I've gotta say ,I'm favourite Floyd BUT not overly confident in it .I can see ur post playing out like that , Patterson down , maybe a few times , then Floyd coming back to stop his man . But just as equal ,I can imagine Bert really hurting Floyd and Patterson being stopped .I'm undecided ..
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    CANNONBALL Active Member Full Member

    Mar 18, 2007
    Cooper of the Mercer, Coffee, DeWit fights would have had a great chance of catching Patterson and putting him to sleep. Of course, FP was a better boxer and history will remember him more fondly than Cooper but make no mistake, Bert, when in the mood was a fearsome puncher with fast hands and a solid chin.
  7. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

    Nov 22, 2014
    This. Patterson most likely gets dropped once or twice, but I see Patterson eventually knocking Cooper out.
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  8. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

    Apr 9, 2017
    Well here's the thing: by all accounts Cooper could really wallop despite being around 210 in top shape, and he had really fast hands so Floyd's speed advantage is going to be undercut somewhat. I'd pick Floyd without too much hesitation if I knew he had a granite chin or if Bert's was glass, but as it stands I have to pick Cooper if I'm honest.
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  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    I pick Patterson to tko the guy whose career best win was against Orlin Norris.
  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    A determined and clean Cooper could take Patterson's punches better than Floyd could take his. Patterson was quicker and more skilled but he wasn't that elusive. He was also as short as Bert was. That means Cooper is gonna be inside.
    Patterson may outscore 3-1 up until he is rendered helpless.
    Cooper KO 6
  11. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    But you could turn that comment around a couple of ways.
    Some one could also say ,who was the best fighter who Ingo beat ?
    Apart from Floyd of course . With out Patterson s name on his record , who'd he ever really beat ?
    Another way is , looking at Buster Douglas .If he'd never been given a shot at Tyson , what s the best name on his resume , same for McCall if he'd never faced Lewis .
    Just cos he never had the big name win , doesn't mean he stood no chance against Floyd .
  12. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 22, 2015
    Well Ingo knocked out Eddie Machen in 1 round and Henry Cooper in 5, Machen in particular is a good win, Cooper decent.
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Jan 8, 2017
    But he wasn't setting the world afire as such before facing Patterson .He was given not much chance at all of beating Floyd . The only thing he had going for him was a good punch but part from that , nothing .If we transport Bert in place of Ingo ,I give him a shot .
  14. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

    May 18, 2006
    Bert was dangerous but I’d have to back the higher class of fighter and that was undoubtedly Patterson in this match up.

    Bert was an exciting fighter and a dangerous puncher but he wasn’t elite. The only guys that beat Patterson at his best were thunderous punchers at the world level in Ingo and Liston. Cooper wasn’t in that class in my view as a puncher or fighter.

    It’s seems a given on this site that anyone with a semi-decent KO ratio or a couple of highlight reel KO’s in an otherwise ordinary record will be given a chance out of proportion to their abilities against Floyd Patterson and also Kenny Norton.
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  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    We should start turning to the greatest upsets in heavyweight history in order to make picks for fighters who never pulled any really great upsets off. Makes sense.
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