SMOKIN JOE FRAZIER AT HIS BEST V...?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One of my favorite fighter s, how does Joe do at his peak *FOTC*against these top name champ s?
    Joe Louis *Schmeling 2 *
    Lennox Lewis *Rahman 2*
    Rocky Marciano *Charles 2*
    Larry Holmes *Cooney *
    Jack Johnson *Burns *
    Evander Holyfield *Tyson 1*
    Mike Tyson *Holmes *
    Wladimir Klitchko *Haye *
    Jack Dempsey *carpentier *
    Sonny Liston *Patterson 1 *
    What you got?
     
  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Pimp C's Full-Time Tutor blocked Full Member

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    Beats Holyfield and Holmes on points,

    KOs/TKOs Marciano, Dempsey, Tyson and Louis late

    Brutally beats Johnson

    Loses to Liston in 5, losses to Lewis and Wlad on points.
     
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  3. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    beats louis

    lewis starches him

    marciano gives him a tough fight but gets stopped

    holmes frazier toss up in my opinion

    frazier beats johnson

    holy stops frazier

    tyson stops frazier

    frazier stops wlad

    frazier stops dempsey

    frazier stops liston
     
  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holy cow...I can’t call this lol. To many close ones.
    Think he beats
    Wlad
    Jack
    Evander
    Holmes
    The rest are all close but I’d favor the other guys. 60/40.
     
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  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Podcast EVERY SOMETIMES youtube.com/lordlegender Full Member

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    Losses to Marciano, Tyson, Liston, and Dempsey by stoppage

    Losses to Lewis and Louis by close decision (both of these fights are close and I could easily see going to Frazier)

    Beats Johnson, Holmes, Holyfield and Wladimir
     
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  6. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loses to Liston /Lewis
    50-50 Marciano Holyfield Wlad

    beats the other 5

    5-2-3
     
  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    FOTC Joe arguably can beat them all.
    Liston
    Holmes
    Joe Louis have the best chance followed by Dempsey.
    I'm confident he takes the rest.
     
  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe goes 7-3 , loses to Liston, Louis, and maybe Tyson. Chops down the rest in 15 round fights
     
  9. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Louis - TKO win early for Louis. Frazier started slowly and Louis was a finisher. But if he doesn't ...
    Lewis - pts or late stoppage a la Tua fight. Lennox had the size and brain to neutralise Joe and would have leant on him inside. Hard night's work for Joe.
    Marciano - Joe batters him and stops him inside 8. We're talking a top career heavyweight in his prime who, despite being 20lb heavier, is much quicker than Rocky. This wouldn't have been pretty.
    Holmes - Don't know. It goes the distance and is very close. Prime Larry was on a par with FOTC Ali.
    Johnson - No idea. Never seen him fight. I don't put much store in contemporary accounts as most of the writers would have had such a limited field of reference before TV, air travel etc
    Holyfield - Joe outworks that version of Evander for a wide decision. Possible stoppage. Holy struggled with body shots and Joe was among the best at that.
    Tyson - Tyson early or Joe late. Flip a coin.
    Wlad - Wlad on points in a terrible fight. Jab, clinch, lean. Jab, clinch, lean...
    Dempsey - Not seen much of Jack but based on his title reign - which, I know, might not have been him at his best - I'd go Joe.
    Liston - Joe's bigger and harder than Floyd and would absolutely not have been intimidated. He'd have been Sonny's best win by a long way. Sonny wouldn't have been Joe's best win. Based on that, I'll go Joe on points. Depends on the betting odds.
     
  10. MR6666

    MR6666 New Member Full Member

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    I like this post and here's how i see these going.

    Louis - This a close fight Frazer has the heart of a lion and doesn't know when to quit and will find his stride and land eventually. See this being a very close fight.

    Lennox - I think Lennox jab wins this as it rams consistently on target and backs Joe up.

    Marciano - Joe wins here as relentless hooks and body shots slow rocky down.

    Homles - Larry has too much for Joe i feel this ends a brutal KO.

    Johnson - Have to brush up on Jack against this style and will get back to this one.

    Holyfield - Goes the distance with a decision for Joe.

    Tyson - Joe by brutal KO, My thoughts on this reasoning is tyson clearly mentally unstable and has a idgaf attitude to training and life at this stage. 88 Tyson destroys any version of Joe in my eyes. Open to give my thoughts on why to this if needed.

    Klitchko - Joe by stoppage - Wlad can't handle the constant pressure and tastes the canvas multiple times before Joe finishes for the knockout.

    Dempsey - Joe wins a decision in a great back and forth fight.

    Liston - I see a KO for Joe here as the come forward body and headshots leave Liston badly hurt.
     
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  11. Fergy

    Fergy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes definitely beats him imo, no means easily but he had all the tools to do so. Lewis is another one I see stopping him, perhaps even early as Foreman did?
    Love to see him against Dempsey or Rock!!
     
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