Smokin Joe Frazier..........is he Moral?

Sometimes an apology isn't good enough. Frazier took some **** from Ali and its up to him if he forgives him for it

So yes, Smoking Joe Frazier is moral

 

I smoke on the mic like smokin Joe Frazier
The hell raiser, raisin hell with the flavor
Terrorize the jam like troops in Pakistan
Swingin through your town like your neighborhood Spiiiiiderman


Seriously though, what does moral mean. Is it immoral to have bad blood against your rival that called you a ****ing gorilla? And made you side with the establishment in some media cultural war? Ali clearly started all of it. Frazier wasn't characterized by dick statements to any other fighters. Hell i even recently saw an Ali documentary where he praised him, quite a bit actually.

And foreman gave ali DP.

 

Joe Frazier has a right to hold a grudge!
He was willing to die in that ring to get Ali!
Too bad his limited boxing skills let him down...
Left hook left hook left hook............14 rds later yeap u guessed it! Left hook!

 

^^^limited.... we could all hope to be that limited

 

at frazier's skills being limited. He was incredibly good at applying constant pressure and cutting the ring very well, a great swarmer and champion in his own right. Frazier made ali miss with more jabs than any other fighter he faced, period. He was also a very powerful body puncher. He did rely on his left hook. That's because it was a ****ing destructive punch. People described it as "the best left hook since dempsey". High praise.


Ali wasn't a particularly skilled technician himself, he relied on his jab, footwork and speed to get himself the majority of his wins, not any inspiring boxing skills. Look at what happened what anyone got past his jab like foreman, norton, and frazier did. He had no inside game or body punching whatsoever, so let's not accuse frazier of being a limited fighter in the same breath.

 

I don't know how you can question Joe Frazier's morals when Ali not only disrespected almost all of his opponents, but degraded them. In the case of Frazier, he called him an animal and a traitor to his own kind which couldn't have been more wrong.

In the documentary it states Ali never held a job, had boxing his whole life. Joe on the other hand worked his ass off from when he was real young.

Frazier never had to resort to Ali's bad-mouthing style outside the ring, because he was above that.

Accodring to most people, Ali gets a pass on everything because he was the self-proclaimed "greatest", don't matter who this guy wrongs or what he does no one will ever hold it against him.


Don't judge someone unless you've walked in their shoes.

 

Ali took it too far. Frazier shouldn't be boasting about giving him Parkinson's and **** though, that's pretty low.

And Futch didn't cost Frazier the fight. I'm a huge Frazier fan, but there is no way Ali would have stayed on his stall and not come out for round 15.

You are probably the last person on earth to watch Thrilla In Manilla by the way.

 

I never got that whole "traitor to his race" deal from Ali. Who did Ali have in his corner?

Ferdie Pacheco-White and ****ing stupid

Angelo Dundee-White

Bundini Brown-Black and Jewish who also pawned Ali's belt for $500

 

ali just loved accusing his opponents of uncle tommery. nothing more to it

 

Joe has a right to hold a grudge after some of the things Ali said in the build up to their fight but some of the things he says about Ali now are equally horrible even after all these years.

 

tell me about it lol

 

Ali is a massive dickhead. Frazier is a gentleman.

 

You have no idea what is must have felt like to be a black american back then and be called an Uncle Tom

Ali went over the top with his insults and he ridiculed and berated Fraser consistently throughout their carrears

If Fraser still holds resentment towards Ali, fair enough. He took so much abuse from him no wonder he is taking cheap shots at his condition

Now Im not saying that that is right, in fact, I would love Fraser to turn around and say "all is forgiven"

But Ali never took time out to apologise to Joe, he went over the top and never looked back and reflected on how badly he behaved towards Joe

Its not a pathetic grudge, Joe was treated as a gate figure in America because of all the **** Ali sent his way. If he still holds resentment towards him, thats fair enough

You will never know how Joe fraser felt, so for you to start a thread saying how pathetic Joe was is bulls**t