Smokin Joe Frazier vs Oleksandr Usyk

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  1. smallsteps

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    12 rounds both prime who you got?
     
  2. BCS8

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    usyk
     
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    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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  4. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    Joe. But why not having a poll?
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier due to style match up
     
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Frazier threw 631 punches over 15 rounds against Ali according to Compubox

    Usyk threw 905 punches over 12 rounds against Hunter according to Compubox

    Usyk's engine is on a completely different level to any heavyweight from 50 years ago, fair or unfair.

    Did Frazier have any experience against southpaws? I'm not seeing any obvious names. Southpaws are 2-3x more likely to beat top heavies than orthodox fighters, so it's an even bigger weakness for these old heavies who had next to no experience dealing with them:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...d-as-victors-against-top-heavyweights.700438/

    Related:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/muhammad-ali-vs-usyk-who-takes-it.700952/#post-22221889
     
  7. Vegan Beast

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    I think Fraizers style would cause Usyk problems.

    Going for Frazier to win by knockout or knockdowns.
     
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  8. James Page

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    This would be Usyks last stand. He's brave, I know he would come to fight, but Frazier would send him home to his people on his shield.

    This isn't Bredies or Gassiev we're talking about, Frazier is a legitimate monster. Usyk could take all the Loma ballet classes he pleased, that stuff would mean nothing to Frazier.
     
  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    5'11, 205-214 lbs Frazier would be dusted inside 2 rounds by 6'5.5, 245 lbs Joshua, just as he was against 6'3, 217 lbs Foreman. Frazier had minimal firepower by comparison and objectively couldn't outwork Usyk.
     
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  11. Loudon

    Loudon VIP Member Full Member

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    Here we go again.

    Joshua doesn’t fight like George.

    Why didn’t he dust off Ruiz?

    Joe would have been on Usyk like a rash.

    You’ve seen Usyk when he hasn’t got time and space.

    It would have been a hard fight for him.

    It’s not about P4P ability, it’s about how they’d have matched up stylistically.

    It’s why Mike Tyson would have beaten Usyk. Because Usyk had nothing to have kept Mike off of him.

    Frazier wasn’t as dynamic as Mike, but that would have been a very tough match for Usyk.
     
  12. gneall

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    Usyk too big and too fast, and hasn't been cracked around like Frazier was, not even against an AJ
     
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  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You talk about "stylistic matchups" and then refer to heavyweights who never fought a southpaw, let alone good one, let alone the best, in their pro careers. Can't you see the obvious contradiction? And then you claim they would beat the GOAT heavyweight southpaw, who is also the GOAT cruiser, with an elite skillset, athleticism, iron chin and unprecedented engine, and all of the modern advantages in terms of drugs, studying past fighters.

    Mike Tyson would have had nothing for Usyk after the first 4 rounds, his engine was abysmal by comparison and Usyk is a much bigger man. Emotionally volatile Mike would get frustrated (especially given the racial/cold war pressure) and foul his way out.
     
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  14. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    How did you come up with southpaws are 2 to 3x more likely to beat heavyweights? Is there a stat I can reference?
     
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  15. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    I loved Smokin Joe but Usyk is next level. UD Usyk but Joe wins some rounds. Usyk frustrates Joe and outworks him.
     
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