Smoking Joe Frazier is thrust into the world of boxing in 1959.

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thank you Rules I appreciate that!

    As are you, my friend.
     
  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't say "any other Joe Frazier" gets stopped before 3. I think the Frazier of the Ellis I, Quarry I, and Foster bouts would also give Liston hell even if I wouldn't favor them.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    He's no chance of beating Liston thru to 64 IMO. Liston is a boogeyman for him.
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree he wouldn't beat Liston. But I highly doubt he goes before 3.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not completely impossible. Frazier is coming straight at him, straight at him and straight at him again. Liston can either go hard or box and counter. Frazier might force him to go hard.

    When an uppercut was advantageous Liston brought it into the fray. Poor Floyd.
     
  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’ll meet your John Lennon with Edwin Starr:

    . OR

    If you need a rev up for passionate debate here’s the P.I.L for you:-

     
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  7. Holmes77

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    No hard feelings Swag
     
  8. Entaowed

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    You can make an excellent case here, although it is disingenuous to say you are not the brightest bulb-technically maybe only high up on the list of abstract intelligence, but the implication is over-modest.
    As is the use of your amusing but way less intelligent or ethical avatar equally misleading about your manifest virtues!

    I wrote because there was a dramatic, gratuitous shift in tone & equanimity that extended to several others.
    Yup writing them personally would have been the safer choice-in fact given their past & overall decency & intelligence, while saying something so things get better is more important than avoiding any conflict...

    I have no good reason to not have gone private to get a message across more diplomatically.
    Since almost everyone reacts defensively when critiqued about related matters publicly.

    Edit: one indication that the best course of action is not unambiguous is that your own logic might well dictate that you also would have served the peace best by messaging me privately.
    But you might have thought like I did that it is valuable to show others your reasoning, & gambled that I would not be threatened by a critique & so escalate or deny things out of Ego.
    If so, you were correct on that last point.

    In other words & for these specific reasons-you are right.
    Maybe there is a correlation between a high Ape Factor, unflappability &/or altruism?
    Nah you as a single example proves nothing! :sherlock:
     
  9. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just on the bolded - Nothing changed in that regard as Swag has always called a spade a spade and isn't afraid to call it. He's always been consistent in that regard and tells it like he sees it. He didn't suddenly go berserk.

    The reason i commented was that you had done the exact same thing you were so irate about - being criticised publicly by a poster while not actually being addressed, at a time when things looked done and dusted. You got the last word in and poof it was all gone.

    The mods wiped virtually the whole exchange which for me was a pretty strong hint/opportunity for everyone to reset and move on.

    Now i can't tell anyone how to roll because heaven knows how many spats I've had over the years (LOL) so people will do what they do as i myself do.

    I didn't take it to PM as i won't be drawn into lengthy and continuous debate on the topic and have no trouble refraining.

    I've leave it at that lest i become guilty of standing on the same podium i am trying to kick over ;)
     
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  10. Entaowed

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    But it was not nearly the same thing.
    First to be discrete I never noticed that tendency you allude to.
    Calling things like it is seen is completely distinct from-& does not justify-putting down the overall decency or intelligence of someone.
    I actually agreed with the absurdity of assuming a retired Rocky (somewhat due to physical limitations/pain), being able to finish off Frazier.
    But I never call anyone effectively retar*ed &/or a worthless so & so or poster due to that.
    Both because the extrapolation would be an unjustified overreach-not "like it is" or decent...

    And because even if it was true, it would be both contaminated by personal vitriol, bad for this place-& cruel.
    Such as, to be more on the "Money"...I confined that scolding to that again banned &/or absent poster being vicious.
    He actually never got nasty about that, just ignored it & trolled on, so effectively no risk to broach that.

    The main thing was never not being spoken to directly, but that is secondary to what was said-in intention & likely effect upon the peace.

    Anywho you must think it is either better or no worse to discuss this publicly-although I agreed that your idea of me going to a DM in a particular case was right-so I guess you trust each of our discretion here.
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

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    I called him an idiot because of his continuous bashing of Frazier, my favorite fighter (along with Liston) specifically posts like the one I earlier replied to and these
    So I think I'm more than justified at anything I may have thrown his way.
     
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  12. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty rich coming from the liar who continues to repeat that Shavers never had a KO after the 7th round, despite being corrected by multiple posters on countless occasions.

    I'm not even going to get into your "Liston quit one time when at least in his mid 30s against the GOAT heavyweight so he's nothing more than a quitter and would quit in virtually every matchup he's pitted against here."
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ah come on! Don't do my Favorite like that. :lol:
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

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    Greetings JT! I did not want to respond but after thinking it over, I wanted to make one final post on the issue to perhaps clear a couple things up.

    As you know, my issues with Enta started when he made a highly inappropriate claim without a source, that Ali had affairs with a 13 year old girl which he later to his credit, conceded he was wrong about.

    However he later made a similar claim that Ali was flat out sleeping with 12 and 13 year old girls. His source.....: A suspicious link with grammar issues detailing a book that came out after Ali's death which he never read by his own admission. I attempted to use the "search" feature in google books to confirm his claims which if I did, I would've gladly conceded he was correct that at least the book made the claim even if I dispute the accuracy of said claim, but as I suspected.... nothing.

    I later called him a sociopath because of his inability to understanding how damaging the baseless claims were to a man's reputation. I'm sure he would not be very happy if he was accused of sleeping around with underage people with no proof, let alone after his death when he is no longer here to defend himself.

    I was still very angry about the encounter days later which is why I rehashed the issues on a separate thread when it was all done with. Enta later called me immature for doing so (which I concede he was correct about, it was absolutely not right of me to do so, as well as mocking him) and he's now doing the same thing as you noted... as well as making a new claim that I was being " ridiculed or was otherwise cruel towards three posters including himself".

    I have no idea who the third poster in question is, but as for the other one, I've moments ago, pulled up a couple posts of his to illustrate his behavior, prove he is a troll, and show my treatment of him is beyond justified.

    It's ironic because Enta himself is currently also embroiled in rather heated arguments with three posters as well. All of them well respected, and of much higher quality than the poster I just referenced, who Entaowed claimed I ridiculed or was "otherwise cruel towards" including one of them (who I will not name because of his request to not be associated with Entaowed whatsoever due to their own separate issues) who is quite possibly the best poster here.

    Getting back on topic, Given his adamant refusal to take our personal issues into the PM despite many requests, instead opting to continue derailing the thread (which eventually led to all the posts being deleted which I suspected would happen), along with bumping a near two month old thread just to reignite old tensions with said poster who told him to cease any communication, I can unfortunately only conclude he is here to cause trouble and his ego will not allow him to not have the last words in a public environment. He does not have any intentions of talking through these issues privately, only wreaking havoc on the forum here. I will let him have the last words he so desperately craves as to not continue giving into what he wants, as well as ignore future attempts (which are inevitable given what I now know about his ego) to bait me publicly.

    I hope that's everything!

    On a separate note, I'm sorry for this insanely long, and boring post. You probably fell asleep halfway through reading it!

    I really gotta work on the length of these things. My posts are not nearly engaging enough to be anywhere near this long!
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    I can jive with all that. Big of you to admit a couple of things and give a detailed explanation, from the heart......if you have one!!! :lol:

    Well one thing i can't jive with is the bolded. You said i was your favorite ****ing poster not that long ago. Not impressed. Where does he get the money from? He pays me for likes and ohhhhhh so obviously pays you for compliments.

    So that's the end of it, from your side....good stuff :thumbup: