So, can we NOW mix in some young heavies?

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I asked this question a couple of weeks ago when Povetkin could barely walk to the ring to fight Whyte,

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/so-can-we-finally-mix-in-some-young-heavies.665266/

    But it is more relevant than ever, since Parker clearly lost to Chisora in the eyes of everyone who saw it except two of the judges, and Ruiz was knocked down by a 40 year old Arreola.

    We have to stop buying Pay per view events that feature Povetkin, Whyte, Ruiz, Parker, Ortiz Pulev, Wilder and Chisora. It is the ONLY way that these goddamned promoters are going to get the message that it is time to work in some new blood.

    Are you telling me that guys like Gassiev, Wallin and Makhmudov couldn't beat some of these mediocre retreads (with respect to Povetkin, who just got old and Covid-ated.)?

    Let's do this. Lets send the message that it is time for a heavyweight renaissance.

    POST SCRIPT: I understand that Ruiz-Arreola was a fun fight, but really?
     
  2. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The problem with this is that the vast majority of people who buy the PPVs are casuals.

    The casuals don’t know any better, and the boxers being pushed as headline fighters want the lowest risk opponent possible. The hardcores who can name 5 contenders more worthy are only a fraction of the paying audience.

    So we end up with guys on their late 30s and early 40s who are shot to bits being recycled, whilst the younger HWs are being ducked and denied a shot.

    These are dark times for the HW division.

    I would hope that the major promoters and TV companies are embarrassed at this point and will give the next generation a chance. Eventually they will, but that is no consolation to HWs who are ready and being frozen out...
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you put the new guys on the undercard and create a buzz. I guarantee that casuals will want to see more of Gassiev just from playing his cruiserweight highlight reel before a fight.
     
  4. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    Tell gassiev to step up first
     
  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He had been inactive too long and was not ranked anymore.
    Of course he fight some return fight he was able to get, why not. He needs climb up in rankings more to get enough decent opponent, therefore I also expect some 1-2 next fights vs not that notable opponents.
     
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  6. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Although it wasn't the demolition I expected, Ruiz Arreola had a slack feeling to it with the pauses, Ruiz not jumping on Arreola when he shoulder was bothering him, etc.

    They just aren't hungry, and that supports your point. If they put in someone at the Arreola level who is still climbing the mountain, even if the risk level is the same or lower for Ruiz, the intensity would have been much higher.
     
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  7. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    The other problem is that the younger fighters aren’t as skilled either.

    Povetkin, Chisora and Arreola are shot, but were able to give decent fights because Whyte, Parker, and Ruiz aren’t as experienced or well rounded. They only took these fights because the first three are still names and looked vulnerable. They aren’t chomping at the bit to face each other.

    Joyce is what 34 and still a prospect. He also out gunned the other exciting but limited prospect Dubois. He just wasn’t even anywhere his level and got schooled.

    The main problem is the business climate with the lose your zero and lose your star appeal. Something boxing could learn from the UFC.

    Fans don’t know or care if fighters are shot in the UFC because they promote the hell out of them. We got guys like Bob Arum who shits on his own fighters lack of popularity and expect them to promote themselves without help.
     
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  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What in the....how can he step up when no one will book him? That is kind of the idea of the thread.
     
  9. VBOX

    VBOX JOURNEYMAN Full Member

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    I did my part by not watching it. I did follow the rbr though. ;)
     
  10. Curtis Lowe

    Curtis Lowe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are any of the young guys and their management seeking out fights with these guys? Will they fight these guys for a reasonable payday?
     
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know Wallin is. Not am I limiting things to my three favorites There are literally dozens of guys out there who could step in and give some exciting fights at heavy.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah fine, let's just borrow a bunch of 6'6" guys from MMA or the NBA or YouTube or whatever. Hook them all up with Freddie or Nacho, give them all the best training possible, throw it at the wall and see what all sticks.

    OR, we just abolish the division and have pro boxing cap off at cruiser. (or, dare I say, bridger?)

    Yeah, that last one gets my vote. :D
     
  13. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    NBA does offer 7 and even 8 digits pay checks per 1 year, insurances, also long contracts and opportunities to get additional bonuses, team as big brand and even legal assistance. Unlike pro boxing, where your name alone matters more than how beated up and out of shape you are and some wrecks are getting paid 10 and more folds higher prices than fresh lads with not enough well known names.
    NBA teams also does not have problems with CTE and months long trash talks before fights contracts are signed and other big risks pro prize fighters does have.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    From all stars down through maybe sixth men, yeah, probably far more lucrative to stay on a team - but if you're just a role player or a vet's minimum bench warmer, idk...becoming a fringe contender in a weak division might be a more attractive option if you have any natural fighting talent. I guess you'd have to add up the purses from competing maybe 3-4 times a year and see how it stacked up against salary for a season (and then factor in how much all the corporate perks are worth in offsetting any baseline imbalance favoring boxing, ie benefits, cut of jersey sales etc)
     
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  15. Dance84

    Dance84 Unicorn and seastar land Full Member

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    How can you book a guy who's always complaining about injuries