So Cotto is a lineal champ at middleweight?

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  1. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Until somebody beats him at 160, he's ranked #1 and the Lineal Champ.
     
  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Well since he looked so good and his fans are so impressed by his win over crippled Martinez he has no excuse not to fight GGG or the other Middleweight contenders out there and at the Division limit not some ridiculous 'catchweight'. Roach loves catch weight fights though.
     
  3. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Damn, is that true, automatic #1 ranking? I never knew that the lineal had real significance...wow.
     
  4. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Cotto is THE MW champion..

    But it isn't always the case that it means you are the best fighter in the division.
     
  5. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    lol, why you need to bring up your alt. just because you have question?...some funny sh*t though. From what I understand the lineal champ comes from a time when there was only one champ per division. If you wanted the belt you had to go through him. When they started coming up with other belts people felt those belts were diluted.

    They kept track of only original true belt and called that belt the lineal belt since it came from the lineage of the what they considered the only real and true champ, hence, the most respected belt. And no you don't need all of them, but it's in most peoples eyes it's like having them all as they see it as trumping any other, hope that helps.
     
  6. bandido

    bandido The Black Bandit Full Member

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    Yes, no question he is the lineal champ.
     
  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member

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    Sadly it doesn't matter yet again. I don't care what anyone thinks he will do against other 160lbers, at the moment he's officially #1 for beating the #1 fighter in the division regardless of circumstances and what "we believe". This is how the system works, you beat the man you become the man, even if the #4 or #3 ranked is far superior in the eyes of the general public.

    Going slightly off-topic here, Stevenson IS the man at Light Heavyweight for beating the man in the division. Sure many people pick Kovalev to demolish him but that doesn't change the fact that Stevenson remains #1 whether that fight happens or not.
     
  8. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins won all 4 title belts - Taylor beat Hopkins - Pavlik - Martinez - Cotto.

    A long the weigh the belts where either stripped or given up but the lineage of the true champ goes back to Hopkins.

    Almost impossible to unify all the belts as they don't always work together.

    I mean Martinez won the WBC + WBO titles against Pavlik yet was told to chose one or he would be stripped he decided to keep the WBC and Pirog and Jacobs fought over his WBO belt.
     
  9. Stefan Johnson

    Stefan Johnson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson to become the 'lineal' heavyweight champ.. . . .
     
  10. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    yes
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Cotto is the lineal middleweight champ.

    The sky is blue.
     
  12. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    Most people hate catch weights and since Cotto fought for the MW title it wouldn't make any sense to fight at a catch weight. Unlike many, I predict Cotto will be honorable and give GGG a shot.
     
  13. avenel

    avenel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not sure why this is even a question, the sky is blue?
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Get your own material, bub! :cus
     
  15. Heavy Handed

    Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit Full Member

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    Regarding the catch weight...

    On the Cotto/Martinez Face Off, Sergio himself says that his camp offered 159 to lure Cotto in, and he accepted. Sergio went off that Cotto could have asked for a lot more and he would have agreed.

    The catch weight was the idea of Team Martinez. Quit trying to downplay Cotto and Roach for that.