So dela Hoya used lidocaine against hopkins and creatine against Trinidad ...

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  1. arsabs

    arsabs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "authorize the Nevada State Athletic Commission to release the results of any tests for performance enhancing drugs that he has taken in the past"

    its not about his medical history, but result of ODLHs NSAC ped test before. its the same logic that people are grilling PAC for, because somebody said so. but in this case, its not a crackheads tale.
     
  2. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    ^^ ya'll just have to email thomas hauser if you got any problem.

    He's one of the most respected boxing journalists in the world today, certainly with a lot more cred than teddy atlas lol

    OSCHEAT DELA HOYA's silence is very suspicious
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    The NSAC is a state run orginization. That means that any test results would be a matter of public record. This of course means that Hoya couldn't have a confidentiality agreement. Keith Kizer(Executive Director of The NSAC) specifically addresed this issue.

    "all these tests are public and every test was negative for PED’s (performance enhancing drugs.)”

    Response to Hauser's claim that the NSAC needed a waiver to release Hoya's test results;

    “No – I have no idea what Mr. Hauser is referring to or why he would make such an implication.”
     
  4. el mosquito

    el mosquito Boxing Addict banned

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    You're a fraud Divac.


    As far i know.. my ass. YOu don't know anything. You don't dismiss Thomas Hauser as some ******* journalist. He does his research unlike you. Your Man-love to Mexico and anyone that is against Pacquiao lol, has blinded you.

    Thomas Hauser wasn't asking for the NSAC blood-tests regarding OSCHEAT's diseases and AIDS he got from some net-wearing prostitutes. Thomas Hauser categorically Points to Substance and PED testing done to OSCHEAT DEla HOYA which he carefully hides under a non-disclosure clause.

    very suspicious indeed :think
     
  5. arsabs

    arsabs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    same as people thinking PAC is on roids, when he hasnt been tested positive by NSAC ever.
     
  6. SILVIO_DANTE

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    but if he had failed drug testing then surely we would know that already?

    why would a failed drug test be kept confidential - kind of defeats the point if they can't reveal the results?
     
  7. Starched Him

    Starched Him Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can buy creatine in every city in every country in every continent its legal bro
     
  8. BigReg

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    That's a completely different matter. No one knows for sure whether or not any of these guys are juicing. However, we do know that there was no confidentiality agreement with the NSAC.
     
  9. SILVIO_DANTE

    SILVIO_DANTE Active Member Full Member

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    BUT IF THEY HAD FOUND SOMETHING HE WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED

    can somebody confirm/deny the above?

    Otherwise what is the point of drug testing at all?
     
  10. arsabs

    arsabs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    deja vu? wasnt an e mail supposedly asking for positive result to be made confidential reach atlas' radar? wast the PAC steroid issue started by a crackhead? and convince a lot of people.

    point is you cant take any opinion as fact without any proof there of.
     
  11. elTerrible

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    Yeah because taking creatine that you can buy at walmart is just as bad as putting a cementing agent in your wraps so that your hands become like a brick when you punch the other guy in the face. Completely comparable.
     
  12. Mrtibbs

    Mrtibbs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Has Creatine ever been banned?

    I am from U.K and its never been banned over here?

    Not sure about the other one though.
     
  13. K-Man

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    Creatine is not a valid supplement for boxers, as it makes the body collect WATER. That means you get problems with your limit. You have to get rid of it way before the fight, several weeks. It merely allows you to train a bit harder when starting your training, but you cannot be on it during the fight unless you are a heavyweight. In sports that have no weight classes, you have a better ground to use it, but you have to really know what you do to not suffer from side effects.


    Oh, regarding hypocrits ... "Hypo" is the second name of every Moneyweather fan.
     
  14. elTerrible

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    Its never been banned. I think people are confusing it with Andro which was banned around 2003 or 2004. Both were in the news at the time because Mark Mcguire was taking them (along with all kinds of other ****) when he was setting his homerun records. Andro is a prohormone that converts to testosterone once its in the body. Creatine is found in meats and its thought to benefit you post work out to restore creatine levels in your muscles so they can repair better. Creatine was never banned in the US. It might be banned on some athletic events but if its not banned in boxing then it is a non issue. It has nothing to do with hormone levels and is not a steroid. It also causes water retention which could hurt someone trying to make weight.
     
  15. BigReg

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    What does that alleged e-mail have to do with this topic? No one knows for sure as to the legitimacy of the e-mail. We do know for a fact that there was no confidentiality agreement. And what really made people believe that Pac might be dirty were his lame excuses for not wanting the blood testing. Regardless, that's irrelevant to the topic at hand. Hauser is clearly mistaken, there was no confidentiality agreement. The tests were done by a state run org. which make the results public record.