So Dubois vs Usyk 2

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  1. NewChallenger

    NewChallenger Member Full Member

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    I finally had time to watch this.
    And did it look like Dubois gassed after the 2nd round?
    Also when he got knocked down, he was gasping for air and it looked like it was more of him being exhausted than him being hurt.

    I think Dubois had the right idea to beat Usyk. You have to throw punches and put on the pressure because Usyk becomes dangerous if he finds the range as that is where he works best and finds the opponents timing.
    Dubois did way better in this fight than he did in the first imo, it is just that he didn't throw enough punches and he gassed real quick. He did not bother to punch Usyk in the ribs when he was covered up either
     
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  2. LoveThis

    LoveThis Sweet Science Full Member

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    I think the pace was murderous for someone of dubois' size and stiffness. He pushed the pace in the beginning like crazy, basicalle went all out and actually hit usyk more frequently with good shots than I have ever seen. So no wonder he gassed.

    But the shot usyk delivered and dubois went into was brutal. Way worse than the one that basically knocked fury down or made him walk around the ring without control of himself.

    Dubois was surprisingly okay after that. But together with the stamina situation giving up was the right call. No chance in hell after that. And i am not a fan of being pummeled around the rjng for no reason.

    That's my view, anyway
     
  3. NewChallenger

    NewChallenger Member Full Member

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    He looked like he quit and was tired. And i don't blame him. He just isn't good enough of an offensive fighter to win.

    Usyk works at his best when the opponent is patient and looks to trade jabs for the first few rounds so he can find the range and offset the opponents range. The opponents also look confused due to how he fights southpaw. Yes they probably have southpaws in the gym, but how many heavyweight champion southpaws can you spar with today?

    If you have a heavyweight that can go 5 rounds hard or not just wait around, Usyk could find himself in a **** ton of trouble. Most of his opponents like joshua,Dubois (mostly 1, in the second he gassed) and Fury 2 were basically stationary targets that chose to trade jabs. for the most part. if you watch Fury 1, Usyk had problems, a lot. It is just that Fury was starting to gas in the first fight. Usyk was having a lot of problems when Fury was moving around

    I see Foreman,Tyson,Holyfield,Ali etc beating Usyk convincingly as they either in Georges case, just cuts off the ring and just destroys him, in Mikes case punches at all times for 5 rounds making Usyk unable to establish much, Holyfield being imo a better counter puncher than Usyk and far quicker, and Ali just dancing circles around him as Fury gave him a lot of problems in the first fight and Ali is just too fast and has too good footwork for Usyk.
     
  4. Kiwi Fish

    Kiwi Fish Active Member Full Member

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    I think part of the "trick" to beating Usyk, not that its looking likely that anyone can, is to punch with him which Dubois tried to do.

    Usyk moves and punches often and he took away Dubois' main tool, his jab, which left Dubois with only the option of going for it with the result we all saw.
     
  5. NewChallenger

    NewChallenger Member Full Member

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    I don't see anyone in the division that can beat him today, because they are all so slow and lumbering and their punch output isn't there. The only one I see that has a snowballs chance in sahara (not hell, as that means no chance) is Ituma or whatever his name is. But his biggest problem is, he is completly and utterly unproven. He does prove to have strong fundamentals and a strong output, but he is just unproven ,and at this point, we will not see this,just cause Usyk is running low on time
     
  6. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ituama is way too inexperienced to get in there with Usyk, even if he does have a combo of speed and power that nobody has had to deal with since about 1990.
     
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  7. Cyrion

    Cyrion New Member Full Member

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    ???

    Are you sure you watched the fight? Dubois couldn't land a thing. I think he managed all of about 3-5 clean punches the entire fight. He wore himself out because he was swinging and missing while being tensed up due to Usyk's feints and movement.

    I swear, some of ya'll need to go to YouTube, find the fights, and then slow them down to half or quarter speed. It's like all the people that thought Fury won the rematch with Usyk. Like, you should be able to see the punches missing and/or landing on Usyk's guard. The man is a defensive wizard. It's why he's never been knocked down as a pro. You just can hardly ever hit him clean. The handful of times you do he usually rides the punch and he's got an S-tier chin to boot.

    Dubois didn't do anything in there. He was cooked from the first 10 seconds of the opening bell and Usyk landed that first head snapping jab. That's why Usyk is so impressive. He doesn't just beat these guys. He takes them to school and hurts them as the smaller guy. That was a masterpiece performance from him. Didn't dance around and out-point the guy. Didn't wait until late in the fight for him to wear out and get tired. He went in there with a bigger guy, 11 years his junior, riding high on three big wins, and beat him up and brutally finished him in five freaking rounds.

    And to the OP, Dubois was gasping after the last knockdown because he got knocked unconscious, didn't know what was going on, and was panicking. Lots of guys have beat on Dubois' giant head. He's taken plenty of knees and been counted out. He'd never had his lights put out before. It wasn't long, but after Ivan his eyes rolled back in his head and he was out for a second or two.
     
  8. Kiwi Fish

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    Well I'm a Parker fan, so of course I'm going to back my boy.

    But realistically I think Usyk outwork him and takes over in the later part of the fight. Though father time is undefeated.
     
  9. NewChallenger

    NewChallenger Member Full Member

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    yes and usyk is the 3rd coming of jesus. we get it
     
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  10. MorvidusStyle

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    Strange AJ doesn't jump on the Dubious rematch after this.
    He must be utterly terrified of him.
     
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  11. NewChallenger

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    I honestly feel that Dubois does beat AJ sure, but I honestly feel either of them could won, it is just that Daniel landed first. AJ is technically better (not by too much) . I still think 6/10 times Dubois wins. AJs mistake was that he landed a good punch and decided to go to war , Dubois was getting tired but AJ is clumsy and left himself open.
     
  12. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Dubious knew he was beat before the fight even begun let's be real.

    That bodyshot in the first fight which landed because usyk got complacent having fun in there was his golden moment which was robbed by a dodgy ref. Legit knockdown.

    Same way Fury had Usyk in that first bout in till all of his complacency issues and candle burning caught up to him badly and almost got KO'd dropping the ball at what should have been his most dominant stage in the fight. He'll never live it down. If he didn't get so badly concussed he'd never be able to live with his performance at the end of that fight from stamina and complacency issues...ignoring the pointless dropping of the early rounds also messing around.
     
  13. Bofo24

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    Fury should take advantage of it and fight Dubois, whom he would have the mental edge. He could one-up AJ.
     
  14. LoveThis

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    People either underestimate Dubois or don't like to give him credit. Call him stupid and straight up hate on him. Don't really know why. Don't see that done to other fighters in that way. I don't like it.

    He is one of the top heavies right now and parker and kabayel would probably not have looked better against usyk had they fought him instead of dubois at the time.

    Evading the Parker matchup (probably warren's maneuvering) annoyed me, too. And yes, he is controlled by his dad apparently. But he seems a nice person outside the ring and he is really good inside and there were multiple straight rights that hit usyk. After these discussions I actually feel I want to rewatch it and point out the timestamps. But i'd rather enjoy boxing than watch it in order to make a point.
     
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  15. Kiwi Fish

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    Yeah its funny how fickle boxing fans are, after the Joshua fight everyone was riding high on him, then he pulls out against Parker, "disrespects" Usyk in the build up and gets outclassed by a generational great and suddenly he is a bum?

    Dubois isn't the best, but he is a good, if limited, fighter. And yeah he is a bit odd sometimes, but who wouldn't be when they were homeschooled and raised solely by their weirdo dad?

    I don't think he is deserving of a lot of the hate he gets. And though you'll have trouble finding them now, a lot of people were saying Dubois was going to do better against Usyk this time around and were confident that he could beat anyone else in the division.
     
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