So, Floyd Fans: Who Do You Have Beating Floyd at Welter in Boxing History

It's an extremly exstensive list. To name a few, all fighters being in their prime...

Mosley
De La Hoya
Robinson
Leonard
Duran
Napoles
Hearns
Walcott
Armstrong
Walker
Gavilan
Zivic
Whitaker
Trinidad
Burley

Off the top of my head

 

How do you see a Camacho-Mayweather fight going at 130? To me, this is a real tossup. Camacho could give Mayweather fits early on and pile up enough rounds before Mayweather adjusts.

 

Definitely
Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Henry Armstrong
Pernell Whitaker

50/50
Roberto Duran
Donald Curry
Shane Mosley
Oscar De La Hoya
Felix Trinidad

No chance
Vernon Forrest
Ike Quartey
Aaron Pryor
Miguel Cotto

 

Explain this.

 

Brooklyn1550,

At least the usage of emoticons got a reaction from you whereas the converse has not.

p.s. I would like to dedicate my avatar to CottoIsGod who, allegedly, is an "assman"... :hey

 

Sugar Ray Robinson
Tommy Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Shane Mosley

Basically slick boxers with power. Duran wasnt slick enough, Pernell wasnt strong enough.

 

I strongly disagree as well.

Fighters on film in the 1950s and 1960s use the same techniques as current fighters. Compare guys like Ortiz, Napoles, and Griffith. There isn't any question that they look every bit as advanced as current fighters. Straight punches, combinations, footwork, defensive techniques; they're the same. The lack of change in techniques means that the current group of fighters don't have any sort of power advantage as fighters of the past. And the training and nutrition hasn't helped their stamina when looked at in context. A lot of these guys were able to go the distance, no problem, fighting back and forth. We see guys gas all the time now after 8 rounds, even in fights that couldn't be considered wars.

 

Duran was extremely slick, much more so that Mosley who was never particularly hard to find. Duran's balance was flawless and he could slip shots coming in, roll with shots, and pick shots off when need be. A very versatile defensive fighter and a level above Mosley in that regard, especially considering he fought in an ultra-aggressive style.

Pernell was strong enough to hold his own against anybody. He was able to fight on even terms with a prime Trinidad for the opening stanzas before fading. And he beat Chavez up in close, who was widely considered the strongest and best technical in-fighter at the time. When has Mayweather bested an in-fighter like Chavez? Any sort of disadvantage in strength (that you'd believe he'd have against Mayweather) wouldn't come into play because Mayweather isn't one to impose his strength on opponents. If he did, he'd be picked off as Whitaker ate pressure fighters for breakfast.

 

This is a real tough fight to predict. Like against Judah, Floyd is at a speed disadvantage and fighting a slick southpaw. The first half of the fight would probably be Camacho dashing in and out with quick combos and befuddling Mayweather as he tries to addapt.

Mayweather would have alot of trouble trying to outslick Camacho from the outside, so i think he'd have to adjust he style and become more agressive. The second half of the fight Mayweather would take over with his body punches and would land some hard counters.

I suspect this fight will be similiar to Judah-Mayweather, except alot higher pace and far closer.
I'd love to have seen this fight.

Mayweather by razor thin SD:yep

 

Here are a few off the top of my head..

Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley
Oscar De La Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Ray Robinson
Ray Leonard
Jose Napoles
Ike Quartey
Thomas Hearns
etc.

Agreed.

 

Any response Dunks?

 

De La Hoya Beat a PRIME WHITAKER, Mayweather would outbox Whitaker in my opinion to win a Close UD, I think Floyd had faster hands and is a better body puncher. I think whitaker is a great fighter but I dont think he beats Mayweather. All of Whitakers beat fights are UD's whether Wins or Losses...I think Floyd would be able to score on sweet pea easier than Sweet Pea would be able to score on Floyd.

Just cause Duran is strong and powerful and is a brawler doesnt mean he will Bully Mayweather....ALL of Mayweathers Opponents have been bigger....Think back to the Corralles fight....Castillo, Gatt, Mitchell, Judah, Oscar..etc etc...every fighter is bigger..hatton was supposed to muscle him on the inside and he got KO'ed at his own game....I think Mayweathers defensive style causes alot of problems for alot of fighters. Would Duran be able to solve the puzzle without getting Countered? He would follow Floyd around the ring and probably QUIT again due to frustration..lol:deal

In regards to Quartey, outboxed, by Oscar, Vargas, Winky & Forrest,.....what makes you think Floyd Mayweather Jr wouldnt be able to do so...atsch

I dont think Floyd will ever lose to a fighter who is Offense First & Defense second.

How ironic u mention the shoulder injuries for Vernon...if he was injured he shouldnt have fought...if your injured and you fight, your telling me that you personally believe that the injury will not prevent you from winning. Dont blame the injury after the fight. In the second fight he went 12 with Mayorga:-( . I think Floyd would see all of Vernons punches coming and would block or slip them. If Mayorga could hit Vernon with ease, Floyd Can

 

So you are saying Duran was as fast as Mosley? Or able to slip punches to the extent Mosley did throughout his career even when his style of fighting was standing right infront of you and rarely resorting to clinching and fighting off the back foot?

Fair enough, do you think Duran would be able to box with Mayweather the same way he was unable to do so against Leonard? In a fight he looked very sloppy in.

I dont dispute that. I just dont see him hurting Mayweather. Mayweather wouldnt get into a jabbing session with Pernell like McGirt did. I expect Floyd to mix it up just like he did against Judah, on occasion fighting off the back foot and in the later rounds walking him down. Whittaker only had 4 KO's in a decade of fighting. I dont see how he had the power to hurt Floyd or make Floyd respect his power, while at the same time Floyd is matching him speed for speed.

Castillo. I believe he won the first fight in the judges eyes by outboxing Castillo on the inside in the later rounds. Corrales. Corley. Ndou. Both Corley and Ndou being big fighters with maximum range.

Of course you could say these fighters were no where near the level of Chavez, but Chavez at the time he fought Whittaker was well into his 30's.

Watch the Zab Judah fight.

 

Fighters back then didnt have to deal with ....

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Gladly.

Vernon Forrest, in his prime, is good enough to give Floyd a good fight. The guy who starched Mosley twice was fast and powerful with good all-round skills. But, other than a size advantage, I dont see what he has that Floyd can't handle. His footwork isn't as fast as floyd, his hands may be quick but he's not as fast as Floyd, he's not as clinically accurate as Floyd and he's definitely not as defensively aware as Floyd. Dont forget that Forrest defence is so pourous that Ricardo Mayorga managed to knock him out. In the rematch, Forrest got outboxed. Anyone who gets outboxed and loses over 12 rounds to Ricardo Mayorga does not deserve to be talked about in the same league as Floyd.

Ike Quartey is a better fight than Forrest. He gives Floyd trouble with his heart, solid chin and awesome power. However in terms of boxing skill, he isn't even in the same league as Floyd. He's not bad, but Floyd is very very good. You need to be extra special to beat Floyd, Ray Leonard or Tommy Hearns, and I dont see Quartey as being special. He has a punchers chance coz of his power but thats it.

Aaron Pryor is someone I think is generally overrated and wouldn't have a chance in hell against floyd. On paper his record looks good, but he fought mainly at 140lbs and didn't fight any future ATG fighters. Infact, after looking through boxrec, I think his standard of opposition is poor. The win over Alexis Arquello is pretty good, and some of his KO's were amazing, but other than a big punch I think he was quite limited. Like quartey this guy has a punchers chance.

Miguel Cotto is a straight to business, no nonsense, boxer-puncher who likes to come forward and trade. He has a good jab and excellent physical strength. But he is flat-footed and is hurt regularly. He is slower, less skilled, less athletic and less talented than Floyd. He is not hard to counter, and Floyd Mayweather punishes mistakes and openings brutally. Cotto has shown me absolutely nothing to suggest he could be the one to beat the Pretty Boy. He is not recklessly aggressive and wild like Hatton, which gave Mayweather a few early scares. He does not have the size advantage and excellent jab that De La Hoya has, which also gave Floyd big trouble. I dont see what he can do to beat Floyd. I see this is a routine, one-sided 12 rounds decision for Mayweather that will be quite boring to watch.


I missed out Kostya Tsyzu from my list. I think a prime Tszyu at 140lbs against a prime Mayweather at 140lbs is a close fight. The edge goes to Mayweather, but Tszyu is an excellent boxer who's timing and ring-craft is on a par with Mayweather. Ricky Hatton's style is all wrong for Tszyu, who fights with an amatuer style and struggles when things get rough, however i cant see him having the same kind of struggles with Mayweather who also likes to pick his punches rather than go all-out and brawl. Not saying that Hatton is better than Mayweather, just saying that styles make fights.