So, Floyd Fans: Who Do You Have Beating Floyd at Welter in Boxing History

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Fraud-Pernell would be a non-action counter punching technical chess-match. . . power wouldnt be the deciding factor, counterpunching would. Pea was a bit slicker and would likely outpoint Fraud.

 

No. Floyd would walk down Pernell because there would be no reason to fight in a defensive manner against an opponent who's power he wouldnt respect. He would fight Pernell just like he fought Judah and Corrales. He would walk them down. And not in the way the no skilled scrub in your avatar walks people down, getting punched in the face, but with his gloves up, intelligently slipping and dodging punches until he could establish himself in the pocket.

 

atsch

You are simply ******ed.

 

Explain.

 

Their opponents, on the other hand, the "average boxers" din't look one bit like today's average boxers.

As I wrote earlier, the great boxers of the older days represent the biggest evolution when it comes to technique. SRR, for one, prefigured what we know nowadays as textbook boxing.

Like any other textbook, small yet positive adjustments are made as time goes by. No quantum leap here, just small but continuous improvements. Works for every other sport, why wouldn't it work the same way for boxing?

BTW, I'm wondering then what you find so enticing about a sport that wouldn't have technically evolved for the past 60 years or so but that's another subject.

You mean punching power? It's a lot but not only a matter of technique.

What we know as "explosiveness" (which is a trait of effective punching) comes from exercices targetting fast twitch muscles. Boxers nowadays benefit from far more sophisticated training techniques when it comes to muscle explosiveness (i.e plyometrics), that's one thing...

The other thing is power is not only displayed while punching. There's also a great deal of bumping and pushing in a boxing match. All this bumping and pushing occur nowadays at a greater force than it used to.

You conveniently choose to ignore the argument I made earlier regarding this issue. Let's agree to disagree then.

Still, I fail to see how advances in training and nutrition failed to help boxer whereas it helped athletes from all the other sports... :think

Good luck with this one...

 

WHen was ther last time Floyd 'walked someone down'. He didn't even do that to Chico. He's too smart to just do that. You're just stupid boy....atsch

 

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He didnt walk down Chico you utter moron. atsch

He only walked down Zab in the second half of the fight after Zab was tired. When did Pea ever get tired? When did Pea ever show a weak chin? I cant believe Im defending Pernell but I gotta call it like I see it.

Chavez, Tito and DLH couldnt really hurt Pea but Fraud would? :nut

Pernell went all the way up to 154 in weight and never made any excuses along the way to duck the real threats. As much as I have a problem with his defense first style at least the dude got in the ring with the most dangerous guys of his generation.

 

And you're a little ***** who obviously hasnt watched Floyds fights. I havent seen you make one decent argument on this forum, you just run around like a little ***** in a blouse crying to every Floyd fan you see.


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Roger Mayweather "Keep pressin he cant fight going backwards anyway"

Explain that you little pms ridden pock a dot dress wearin *****.

 

De La Hoya didn't beat a prime Whitaker. If you think that, you've truly lost any credibility you once had and that's the bottom line. Compare him to his lightweight days, it's night and day. Floyd has faster hands at 147, but not in combination. I wouldn't say he has a better body attack; Whitaker's body attack was every bit as good. Whitaker's jab would have been the most consistent punch in the fight and we've seen that Mayweather is hit by jabs easier than Whitaker is hit by lead right hands or left hooks. Factor in the workrate as well.

If you compare Leonard with Mayweather and believe he'd quit, you're again losing more and more credibility. Duran had to come down from over 200 pounds to make weight and it took a lot out of him. That wasn't the same Duran that we witnessed in the first fight. And even with that said, he still won 2 or 3 rounds off of Leonard and Leonard, for all his showboating, didn't land too much of significance.

Don't compare Duran to Corrales, Hatton, Judah, Mitchell, and Gatti. He's miles above them; this is possibility the best all around pressure fighter of all time. And it wasn't just basic, technical pressure like Castillo, but a dynamic two fisted attack that featured sublime defensive skills, top notch speed, and feints to throw you off. Given Mayweather's lesser movement at this weight, Duran would close the gap, much like Hatton was able to do with his footspeed. However, the difference on the inside would be apparent. Duran knew how to maul you, rough you up, and punched from every angle in combination to the body and the head. Mayweather wouldn't be hitting him nearly as much as the aforementioned opponents. For Christ's sake, he's never faced a true ATG in his prime and you're telling me he would beat the best welterweight version of Roberto Duran?

Quartey wasn't outboxed by De La Hoya. Most believe he won that fight. He did so by outjabbing Oscar and getting the better of him in a majority of rounds. The Wright fight took place at 160 pounds, so it's not valid. Plus we're talking about a very faded Quartey in this fight. Wright had the tools to beat him because he could outjab him, outwork him, and walk him down with superior physical strength. Quartey's power wasn't much to deal with for Wright either. Vargas didn't outbox him. He beat him from a closer distance, utilizing his strength and roughness to take Quartey away from his comfort zone.

Mayweather doesn't have an authorative or active jab, so he wouldn't be outboxing Quartey in a tactical match behind a jab. He'd be moving, trying to potshot. The problem with this, as I explained earlier, is that his jab would offset Mayweather, making it difficult for him to land and his constant pressure would make him uncomfortable. Quartey's defense would make it damn hard for Mayweather to find holes to counterpuncher. He'd be put on the defensive.

Sugar Ray Leonard was offense first, defense second. You think Mayweather beats him? Hearns was primarily offense first. You think Mayweather beats him? Foreman was offense first? You think Mayweather beats him?

Come on, that's a ridiculous statement for several reasons. 1) You fail to consider offensive fighters that pose stylistic problems for Mayweather despite being offense-first fighters and 2) You fail to mention a weight class restriction. For all we know, you could be including everybody in every weight class.

No, Forrest is a proud man and fought with injuries for a little period of time. It effected his performance though. Mayorga is a pressure fighter who came right at Forrest and could take his shots. Mayweather doesn't fight a thing like that and more than likely, Forrest's size, timing, and jab would give him an advantage from the outside. Mayweather wouldn't be able to use his potshotting routine effectively against somebody this big with the timing and tools to negate his strengths.

 

You fool. Go watch the fight again scrub. The knockouts Floyd had were when Floyd was coming forward throwing the left hook. Watch rounds 5, 6 and 7, and if he wasnt coming forward, he was fighting in the pocket. Boy oh boy you really need to start watching actual boxers instead of the backyard brawlers you think represent the sport of boxing.

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This is round 1 you stupid son of a *****. Seriously you should start listening to things I say, maybe you will learn something about the sport.

You dumbass. Where did I say Pea had a weak chin. LOL! You really are a delusional **** head arent you? Tell me where did I say Floyd would hurt Pea? I said Floyd could match Pea's speed and could beat Pea on the inside because he wouldnt respect Pea's power. Jesus christ this ****ing guy.

 

I guess that one thing there is proof enough for you. ****in troll...atsch

 

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using speed from the outside and counterpunching is not "walking down" someone you ******. atsch

your about as dumb as Roger Mayweather. . . just blame it on the crack-pipe.

 

Thats what I thought you ****ing coward. Cant debate ****. Just like Calzaghe said about Lacy "he cant hit ****" Well you cant debate ****. Go back to nitting blouses ***** and leave the boxing tlk to those who know it.

 

I think it's safe to say we disagree and nothing will change that, although I admit you can support your case better than myself. I go what I see on film when assessing fantasy matchups between past and current fighters. With the greats of 30, 40, 50 years ago, I see the same techniques, defensive manuvers, and footwork. I don't believe that plyometric exercises and strength training has made as big of an impact as you when considering how rough past fighters looked in the clinch, how they weigh the same as current fighters because of the weight limits, and also because these guys deplete themselves to make weight, zapping their strength more so than in the past.

And if you want to get into the heavyweights, I certainly don't see how weight lifting and plyometrics has given them an edge over past heavyweights from the 60s and 70s. If anything, they look slower, sloppier, worse conditioned, and less athletic.

Going back to another one of your points, despite my belief that there hasn't been a massive technical evolution over the past few decades, it doesn't make me enjoy the sport any less. It's fine as it is and if it continued to stay this way, I would say the same thing.