So I talked to a doctor about blood testing...

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  1. JasonChaos27

    JasonChaos27 Active Member Full Member

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    Since most people on here are only interested in arguing opinions and whos fault it is, whos scared of who etc, I actually consulted a doctor on the subject of blood testing vs urine for ped's. His response was there are certain things that will not show up on a urine test that will show up on a blood test. The ped wil stay in the blood stream longer than urine.

    Also hair testing would be out because it can take up to a week or two to get the results from a hair test, so that would be somewhat pointless.

    As far as Mannys reason for not wanting to do random testing because he doesnt feel it is natural and it will drain him...and at first I was completely against Mayweather on this...the doctor said the amount of blood taken for the test is very minimal. Nothing like having blood drawn. He would not be affected by it at all physically. I have a hard time believing Pac would throw away millions upon millions and a chance to secure his legacy as one of the best fighters ever because of an irrational belief or fear of needles.

    I can however see his perspective of not wanting to let Mayweather dictate the drug testing policy. In reality there is no actual proof that Pac has used PED's, just mere speculation. Manny could easily put it all to rest by saying **** it, agree to the testing and still beat Mayweathers ass. Then sue him afterwards.

    So after its all said and done I think what you have here is what everyone thought they would see. A battle of two giant egos. Both want their way and dont want the other dictating the terms.
     
  2. gungfu

    gungfu Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that's the gist of the current situation. A big amount of dick waving. But the facts remain that it was the Mayweathers who brought this **** up. It's a sign of insecurity. It might have been a psychological ploy on their part to begin with - cheapening your opponent is nothing new - but then to follow through with it in regards to the persistent insistance on stringent testing shows nothing more than cowardice, especially when considering the fact that both fighter, father and trainer has said how easily they could and would beat Pac in the ring.
     
  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    As far as what this doctor you consulted told you, if Pacquiao is taking performance enhancers, he's got good reason to not want blood testing........

    ......and as for the hair issue taking two weeks?
    Who cares how long it takes, as long as the results come up accurate.

    The current testing in Nevada which only is urine testing takes over a week for the commision to make public anyway.
     
  4. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    can someone tell me the difference between taking a blood sample 24 hours before a fight and 24 hours AFTER a fight? Its the same f'n blood..
     
  5. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    I can tell you that the difference between blood thirty days before the fight and then after and random blood leading all the way up to the fight is the difference between half assing it and doing it right.
     
  6. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    That is'nt the point in this controversy........there is probably no difference in the question you ask......the day before or the day after would likely yield the same results.

    The controversy here however is that the Mayweather side wants blood testing to be open from the sign of the fight to at least a few days before the fight....and they want it to be random, meaning unanounced.

    Neither Pacquiao or Mayweather would know when they would knock on their door to ask for a blood sample.

    .....by doing it randomly, the fighter would not be able to strategize and set a timetable to cycle the performance enhancers out of their system.


    Pacquiao does'nt want any testing 30 days before a fight, and it is said that a fighter could go on certain performance enhancers and or PED's on the first day of that 30 day period, and then stop it at a certain day before they actually fight so that when they test the fighter for it the day after, it no longer shows up in their system.

    The way Mayweather wants it, they could come knocking at the door say 8-10 days before the fight and actually ask Pacquiao for a blood sample when the he still has the performance enhancer in his system.
    ......it is absolutely the correct way to catch cheats.
     
  7. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You guys should go drown your ******ed selves in your own blood.
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sorry bro, but at the very least, there needs to be an attempt to legitamize boxing and make it a fair playing field for all.:deal:thumbsup
     
  9. 3rdIslander

    3rdIslander GURU R.I.P. Full Member

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    The same can be said of urine samples. Once again, random testing, regardless of the body fluid sample, is the best method for catching PED cheaters. You have to catch them unaware & sloppy.

    How was Mosley caught? If not Mosley through random urine testing, wasn't James Toney caught with a post-fight urine test?
     
  10. Rooney

    Rooney Boxing Junkie banned

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    There is no difference, however that unfortunately is not the sticking point, all though pac fans will have us believe it is.

    The sticking point is PAC damn right refusal to give any BLOOD during Training camp. This is what is holding up negotiations.

    He only wants to give on at the press conference and then after the fight.

    You may ask why is this unreasonable?

    Well because he has a 30 day window to use an illegal substance and avoid detection by timing it so it wont show up on the last scheduled drug test.

    Now if he a random test within that 30 day period. He is unable to time that window. Therefore is more than likely less likely to cheat.

    This is more about prevention than detection from the mayweather camp.

    They feel he is on something, so they want to test properly so he cant enter the ring with an advantage.

    There is the story in full.:hi:
     
  11. josak

    josak Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wow that's real noble of you man. You seriously cared about that before all of this recent drama, I'm sure?

    And I'm sure that was Floyd's intention too: to make boxing a safe playing field for all. That's why he advocated these same testing procedures in his 40 other fights.
     
  12. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Err, he wasn't?
     
  13. 3rdIslander

    3rdIslander GURU R.I.P. Full Member

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    Seriously? Did he just admit to it randomly?
    edit: Ah, checked it out. He admitted to it when it was clear that a list of Balco clients was close to breaking the news.
     
  14. Simple100

    Simple100 Active Member Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::good
     
  15. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    He admitted to have taken something from BALCO that he thought was vitamins or legal supplements of some type after Victor Conte said he was on EPO for the second Oscar fight. You know....The Barry Bonds defense.:yep