So If Adamek's Too Small For Vitali, What Does That Make Byrd?

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Honest question. A prime Vitali, unbeaten, managed to lose to Chris Byrd, a man who debuted at a similar weight to Adamek.

    I don't give a **** how the fight ended, nor for the ******s who are going to argue about it. Byrd found a way to win, toughed it out. He was a tough man, and so is Adamek.

    I think people put far too much focus on size in this match. A far older Vitali, post-injury, whom has 1 round in the past year...

    I don't see this as the massive thrashing some people do. Do people forget Spinks stinking it out but beating an OLD Larry Holmes via hit and run tactics?
     
  2. Blake Rayne

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    Makes sense. Vitali is one of the few tall Heavies who know how to use their height to their advantage but like you said it doesn't mean much.

    Also Vitali probably isn't carrying much more muscle mass than Tomaz. 20 pounds (maybe) when you are 5 inches taller. Alot of that has got to be larger bone, conective tissue, organs etc.

    War both!

    Only reason I reckon Tomaz will have problems is because of Vitali's style. Anytime Tomaz is in range to throw he not only has to contend with a jab and straight right but also those sweeping arm hooks from both arms which is because of the height difference. He can't defend on the way in against all of these shots and I think he will get caught by one or the other each time he gets in range.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Solis was tagging him. Nothing big, but its called boxing for a reason, not punching.

    Well schooled tidy fighters can hit Vitali. Evading wild fighters like Arreola doesn't mean much against technical boxers who capitalize off of your mistakes.
     
  4. Koman600

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    adamek will not beat vitali...
     
  5. TheGOAT

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    this is a WAY different Vitali...Byrd would not have a feather in a rematch today or yesteryear
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    He sure is different, not all in positive ways :good
     
  7. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't believe it has anything to do with his size as demonstrated by guys like Marciano, Archie Moore, and Jack Dempsey among others, and Mike Tyson as of most recent history.

    Stylisticaly, each individual is different, but stylistically and physically, each man is different, but all held the similiar strength as being able to knock his man down and out if necessary and the situation allows it, and if they can demonstrate that ability against big men of their time, I believe it shouldn't be a much of a question that it can or can not happen currently; if we have viewed the past and the question has been answered many times.

    The situation about it is this, does Adamek possess the necessary tools, IE, Skill, Courage, and the ability to gain his opponents respect? If he manages to do so, it is not out of the question that he can win the fight. I don't think he should be underestimated because Adamek is relatively mobile, quick of hands and feet, and with a modicum of power, but has not yet demonstrated that he can finish his opponent, typically showing signs of fading at the end of the fight, but anything is possible with what it is defined, so in turn, it's not up to us...

    At the very least, in my opinion, this fight is intriguing to say the least...and hopefully no man gets seriously injured or hurt as it is to occur the event where it is written upon in some form or way.
     
  8. Blake Rayne

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    Yep and Vitali worked him out and tagged him in under 3 minutes.

    Yes well schooled fighters can hit Vitali but they will be getting hit just as much for their trouble and over 12 rounds those shots will accumulate as we know.

    Vitali also looks like he is lighter than usual, maybe to negate Toamz's speed advantage just like his brother did with Haye.
     
  9. Leonit

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    it's ok guys Adamek is the safe bet the Vit- Bird fight is a good indicator and size doesn't matter. The fact that Adamek was hurt by Grant and Areola should be ignored...
     
  10. lzolnier

    lzolnier Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why do people repeat nonsense? When was Adamek hurt by Arreola. Is that something you saw in your dream? Surely, you don´t mean the 5th round when Adamek was stumbling because his shoe was falling off. Fact is, Adamek won that fight convincingly and did thesame with Grant (with Grant having a comical size and weight advantage) and despite being rocked in a late round. All the credit should go to Tomasz for staying on his feet against arguably one of the heaviest handed HW fighters and still winning almost every round. Adamek has zero fear.

    War baby, war!!!

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  11. Leonit

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    did I offend Adamek in any way?? No he has great hearth and is a very good boxer. Problem is that Vitali is a natural HW with considerable size advantage who also happens to be very good boxer and iron chinned. I can not see Adamek winning this fight and I think that taking as an example the Vitali-Bird fight is not smart because Vitali has evolved mentally after that fight and because obviously he was injured. If Adamek manages somehow to win this fight he will secure his HOF spot. As for the Areola fight when I watched it life I saw Adamek being hurt also in the late rounds obviously he won the fight convincingly but I will favor the more focused Areola in rematch
     
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    So you will be putting the remainder of your robust vcash on Adamek?:oops:
     
  13. Leonit

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    I really hope those guys are not betting real money...
     
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    The only guy I've ever seen consistently tag Vitali was Lewis, who was 6'5", had a reach advantage, and was extremely strong.

    And took a lot of good shots to do so.

    Sanders landed a few OK shots, but was a bit old and fat to sustain anything (and never had good stamina, ever), and he was a 6'4 southpaw.

    You've got to be big enough and strong enough to reach Vitali when he does the whole 'stick the front leg out and lean back' defence thing. Otherwise you're just going to be swinging at air while getting punched in the face.
     
  15. Russell

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    That's a reoccurring theme with Vitali's opponents, sadly.