So if Calzaghe retires, Were does he stand in the All-Time list ?

Good point clearly lost on that dum-dum.

 

At best, 75-100. His skills are vastly superior to his resume, unfortunately. An unresolved close split decision over the aging Hopkins won't help him any. A clear win in a rematch would sure help.

 

He's a known troll, don't worry about it.

 

Right on. A shame he didn't take on more REAL challenges as he could be as high as top 50 with the right fights.

 

Ya, definitely skilled enough to be. He has incredible talent and ability. Solid mental strength, etc..

 

A fighter's prime is when he gives his best performances and gains his best wins. Calzaghe's best performance was Lacy and his best win was Kessler IMO. That was 2006-7. To say he was at his best when he was hammering in tomato cans in Cardiff is laughable. Look at the awful standard of performance he put in around the good performance v Byron Mitchell - that was no peak, this is a lie Calzaghe fans have cooked up to make him look better.

 

WRONG!

Dont twist things to suit your own agenda. A fighters prime is when he's at a physical, and mental level that compliments each other to an extent he's reached a "peak" (PRIME) level in his own abilities. Right now his mental level is through the roof, but physically? You might want to head back to the beginning of the millennium for that. He beat Bernard clearly, beat the future of the SMW and likely LHW division in Kessler - by WIDE ud. He's the best fighter 175 down - and had it not been for CLEAR bias (a case of Pac fans using clever wording and manipulation to increase the standing for both JMM and Pac (JMM's KO over casa is no different to Joe's victory over Roy - which does not even factor into my rating of him), he'd likely be P4P #1. I, myself and several other very knowledgable boxing fans (Brooklyn1550 for one) have Joe as P4P #1, and the only fighter who would really be able to beat Joe would be prime Roy Jones - that says loads about both fighters (this is SMW as LHW is a far older and therefore deeper division). However even then it'd be close.

His resume is very good - it's not great, but it's very good - and the manner of many of his wins should be taken into account. He has terrible hands, yet has still found a way to win EVERY single fight he's fought. Personally - IF he fights Dawson - beats him (which is very likely if done in next 6 months or so), and maybe (personally I dont think it's necessary) rematches Hopkins and comes out with the correct scorecard decision - he'd have a chance for top 50 - however a lot of that depends on what Kessler and Dawson go on to achieve in their respected careers. Otherwise I'd say around the 75 mark, basing off his current record - and assuming Kessler does go on to make his own great legacy, I chose 75-50.

 

Roy Jones was a lot faster at LHW and SMW than Joe, had more power too, just all around greater fighter.:yep

 

i disagree wholeheartedly because if you go back that far (to start of millenium as you say) joe loses his ring IQ craft which was honed as he grew in both confidence and experience. Take this away and you'd probably have a defeat to kessler and hopkins (should already have that defeat anyway ) even if his punching power were retained. Mentally joes at his best and id say going back that far all you get is a bit of extra snap in his punches as his stamina and workrate is still freakish

 

Joe always had this ring IQ - however he's never had to use it. He's had to use it more now to compensate for his decreasing physical abilities.

He beat Hopkins clearly... No way you can say Hopkins won - if so, I'd love to see a scorecard. Hopkins CANNOT beat Joe unless he gets a KO - which is very unlikely. If he fights like he did first fight - joe knows how to negate his lead right now, and it'll be a comfortable decision. If hopkins engages - Joe will beat him to the punch - and will wide ud him.

However - that is your opinion, and i can't knock you for an opinion

 

if he never used it how do you know it was even there? his standard of opposition was too low to develop the sort of craft and IQ i talk of that only comes with big fight experience
I'd gladly show you my scorecard and remember clean effective punching is 95% of what rounds should be scored on:good( hopkins scores first calzaghes second)
Round 1 10-8
Round 2 10-9
Round 3 10-9
Round 4 10-9
Round 5 9-10
Round 6 10-10
Round 7 10-9
Round 8 9-10
Round 9 9-10
Round 10 10-9
Round 11 9-10
Round 12 9-10
115-113 bernard hopkins...now you

 

What exactly did the doctor diagnose you with?

 

Judging by that list I believe 50-75 is very fair. Could be higher but he's certainly not lower.

In my opinion he is certainly above McCallum and aboce Trinidad.

If Trinidad is #51 then to suggest that Calzaghe cannot make a top 100 is ludicrous.

 

You got exactly what I was saying, thank you very much :good

 

i may have the round wrong for one of hops rounds - i watched it recently, but i dont like scoring fights as i miss things.

like you - hops goes first (else it'll cause a little confusion

1 10-8
2 10-9
3 9-10
4 9-10
5 9-10
6 9-10
7 10-9 (i think - it was around here that i gave hops the 3rd)
8 9-10
9 9-10
10 9-10 (i'd call it even - but the low blow pissed me off - it wasnt low, and to me it was obvious buying time to save himself from being stopped due to exhaustion - he couldnt keep with up with joe, and was struggling)
11 9-10
12 9-10


9:3(+1 - KD)

I understand your point on clean effective punching - but joe hit hops cleanly loads - however Hops barely landed anything of note after the 4th. I also felt that this was a case where due to the nature of the fight - the rounds could be considered close, the fight wasnt. I remember when i first watched it - live, i scored it like above (remember - i may have the final hops round scored wrong, i know it was around then), yet setanta had bhop winning - and giving rounds i couldnt see, while hbo had it very wide for Joe.

I remember also (not that this validates it in anyway really, it's something that helped me have some confidence in scoring abilities) that many of the best posters on the site at the time - KG0208, Brooklyn1550, Sues2nd all scored the fight fairly similarly to me - give or take a round - however ALL had Joe winning by at least 2 points. (Again - just an observation - not saying it validates my scoring - or opinion).