So if Chisora beats Vit he has to fight Vlad next..

that's bollocks, wlad is way to defensive his fights are so boring that is not good for boxing

 

Define "good for boxing"?

Casual fans probably prefer slugfests. But it isn't like Wlad has trouble selling tickets. On the contrary, he is wildly popular.

Boxing fans fall into two categories. Those who like technical skills, and those who find them boring.

If we take the definition of "good for boxing" to mean that slugfests are good and technical or defensive skills are bad, then I disagree.
By following the logic of what is good for boxing, we would almost totally eliminate many of the skills that make boxing what it is. I.e. what makes boxing boxing. It would change into something else.

How can stopping something from being what it is, and trying to replace it with something else, be considered good for it?

Also, boxing isn't just something that happens on your television to entertain you. Boxing is also something that individuals do, and they sometimes rely on this skills in real life - not just the magical television land. This too is boxing. How is removing defensive skills in favour of risk taking good for this?

 

I think people forget that the K brothers are also promoters. They get options just like any other promoter does. Why is it an issue when they ask for options, but we all accept other promoters when they do it?

listen... if Chirosa pulls off the upset.... he will make more $$ in the next 2 (OPTIONS) fights against the brothers then he would make in 5 boxing careers. plus he gets the dream chance of unification with in 2 fights. How is this a BAD thing?

 

True. Let's say he wins against Wlad, then against Vitali, then fights against Wlad again. That would be three fights where he will make... I'm speculating here.... probably 20 times more money then he would if he was to keep fighting for the next ten years at two fights per year with slowly increasing the standard of competition until he is ready for a title shot.
Plus his name will be nailed in the history books as an absolute legend.

Let's say the more realistic scenario plays out, and he gets beaten by Wlad - then he just gets 10 times more than he would have got for fighting someone else. Plus his bankability will go up by association, meaning he will earn more afterwards as well.

Win, win. Chisora is the luckiest sunofabitch in the heavyweight division.

 

I have no problem with a straight rematch clause, I feel any champion should deserve a shot to regain their title, but 2??
What if Chisora does the unthinkable twice Chef? Why should he be forced into a 3rd monster fight on the trot? What if he wants an easy payday against a lesser opponent? He would have beaten The Man twice.
In the UK his Marketable credibility would go through the roof and he'd make good bucks with another opponent.

I think I know why, It keeps the brothers financial flow rolling PLUS pushes Haye out of the picture.

I don't blame the brothers, they are businessmen afterall. I blame the powers that be for allowing this to happen, that's the same powers that should force Haye to fight one of them btw.

Any champ should get 1 rematch and if he fails then he and his promotion should be out of the picture, this should be for ALL fighters and promotions, not just the Klitschkos.

Don King tried to pull this multi option stand a few times and killed a few great potential fights. It's not good for the sport imo.

 

Think of it like this.

Imagine I walked up to you and gave you a thousand free lottery tickets. I say you can keep any of the smaller prizes, but if you won the jackpot, you only get 10% and I get the rest...

You'd be crying that you don't get to keep all of the jackpot. Never mind that you did nothing to earn the tickets.

So many people try to criticise the Klit bros, but don't even try to apply logic.

I don't even care what you have to say next. Once someone has stuck themselves into a position then there is no point discussing it, no matter how clear the logic is. That's ESB for you.

 

It will be different contract with Vitaly. When Lewis lost to rahman their rematch(that was in contract) was split differently.

 

I genuinely can't think of a contract stipulation as unfair as this from another promoter. You tell me which one is as bad in the last few years, apart from what the Klitschko's offer, because the Haye one, which he accepted, was worse.

We all know promoters are shady. I just expect more from the Klitschko's than this. You're right, promoters do things like this all the time but I hoped that the brothers, who are politicians, charity workers and amazing ambassadors for the sport, would be a bit different.

Just because the known criminal associate Bob Arum, the murderer Don King, the thief Frank Warren, the known criminal Ahmet Ohner and many more, do these things, it doesn't mean that the Klitschko's should.

But that's besides the point. I can't think of a worse contract stipulation that this. Can anyone inform me of one? I'm serious in this too, and not trying to make a point.

Because he'll be a champion who deserves much more. You know the figures, so you tell me what percentage Chisora would get for a fight with Vitali. Are we looking at 30%? 20%? Even 10%?

The point is, if he does win, Chisora isn't going to make close to the money he deserves to make, as the heavyweight champion. That's just fact. I would have no issues with a clause for an immediate rematch, as long as the ball was in Chisora's court in terms of promotion.

It's funny though. When we talk about Klitschko and Haye, people always say Haye doesn't deserve 50% because he holds one belt, Wlad is the real champion because of the four titles, including The Ring belt, and so on, yet if Chisora won the belts that Wlad currently holds, those same people would justify him taking a tiny cut against Vitali, who only holds one belt himself.

There's a huge contradiction there.

Going by the Klitschko's rules, if Chisora wins and becomes the man at heavyweight, surely Vitali will accept less than 50%?

Yeah, I don't think so.

 

Only thing that wlad will be able to stop him sooner.
Wlad actually tends to stop pressure fighters faster(they create more openings).

 

Thats not logic....Klit gets zero if he does'nt have an opponent.According to your analogy this would mean the lottery tickets are worthless to him unless he has someone else to claim the lottery tickets for him.If as you say Chisora will have done nothing to earn the tickets then why will the Germans be billing this as fighting the British Champion and Commonweath Champion?.Chisora has earned it by winning these two titles otherwise Klit would'nt be able to sell a fight against him.

 

WTF? What rematch? Who thinks here about any rematch. Everybody knows Chisora gonna lose this one. No way anyone considers some rematch clauses. Why when it was Sosnowski fighting nobody was talking about bad rematch contracts? It's some absurd here. Next point is Why the hell some noname guy should get a better contract. His worth isn't any high. Chisora gets an undeserving fight where he has nothing to lose and only to gain. At its worst it would be an experience, good $$ and some 'fame'. He stands in fornt of his biggest opportunity and if he rejected such an offer he would be a moron. It's not the same situation here as Haye. I would even say it's quite opposite. It's stay busy fight for a champ and a big chance for a young prospect. Simple as that. And talkin about any rematches clauses is an absurd. What's more i bet you have no idea what money and conditions stands for the rematch. Perhaps, it is 50-50, who knows...

 

I agree, the idea that Chisora has done nothing to deserve this shot flies in the face of what he has actually achieved in a relatively short period. In two and a half years he has been undefeated beating some absolute pups and won a couple of titles. As has been mentioned on plenty of other threads the Ks don't want to fight anybody that is a contender at the moment and the rest they have beaten.

It makes commercial sense to fight Chisora as he is the big name at the moment in Europe.

I also don't believe that the clause is all that unfair and should be looked at from both points of view. Whilst Chisora would love to knock out Wlad and then fight Haye for commercial reasons he will also get a shot at unifying the Heavyweight division.

Chisora is a little lucky to be getting this fight but then who else wanted to fight either of the brothers? It's not like the division is packed with up and coming fighters begging for a chance.

 

Any person with any level of common sense at all doesnt need to do any research on David Haye to know that he is a ducker with all bark and no bite.

 

i like the benn's and tyson's of this world but also love to watch fighters like jose napoles and larry holmes and the likes of whitaker and the likes of hearns and someone with the skills of a hedgemon lewis who was a very skilled fighter. i wish there was film of a prime benny leonard or one that i would of loved to of seen was a lightweight called benny valgar .
so i dont dislike technical boxers it is just that wlad is in my opinion to defensive and in a lot of ways a very negative fighter it also does not help that he looks like a panic stricken man when on the rare occasion his opponents do attack him with any vigor . i honestly think that he could of looked a lot better in many of his fights by being much more aggresive and i also think that he could of done so and still of not lost to any of his challengers and that would of been better for boxing