so if Ricardo Lopez is so great

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  1. liljp361

    liljp361 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    then so must Juan Manuel Marquez be too... because to me they have pretty close to the same style of fighting in the ring.. both trained by Nacho
     
  2. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is. They both are.
     
  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Ricardo Lopez is certainly the greatest Minimumweight of all time, but that division literally has zero depth. Most if not all of the fighters he was knocking out with the exception of Rosendo Alvarez were C level opponents, the kind of opposition Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales were routinely outclassing during their early years as Super Bantamweights. Ricardo Lopez was great, but not as great as those two in my estimation, and neither was Juan Manuel Marquez, who may be on their level in terms of ability but falls short when evaluating their respective win columns.
     
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    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    imho, only because he couldn't get the fights. He belongs right up there with MAB and EM on the strength of his performances v. Pac alone. Throw in Casa and Diaz, and you have a very strong resume for JMM.
     
  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Juan Manuel Marquez should be considered as "great" as Barrera and Morales on the strength of his performance against Manny Pacquiao, who he never officially defeated? This doesn't compute. When I'm evaluating fighters, I look at their resumes and abilities, and if there is no clear distinction to be made, longevity and accomplishments will also come to the fore. Unfortunately for Marquez, who's signature win is against a faded Super Featherweight Marco Antonio Barrera, his win column doesn't stack up to his contemporaries.

    Regarding his victories over Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz, one of them was on his way out, and the other I don't hold in that high regard.
     
  6. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. The only blemish on MAB and EM's careers are that they never fought JMM when they were all on their game.
     
  7. Addie

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    That's more a blemish for Juan Manuel Marquez.

    Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales both fought great fighters during their respective primes, and they actually came out with the verdict.
     
  8. liljp361

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    You choose not to say its bad for em or mab but you say its a blemish for JMM? doesnt make sense. why not just be equal across the board..

    I mean you know jmm pretty much has beaten everyone put in front of him except pac and mayweather.. pac beat the **** out of both morales and mab ..

    just because jmm didnt get the opportunities like mab and em doesnt make him less inferior
     
  9. Addie

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    Barrera and Morales have perfectly healthy resumes. They both fought and defeated great fighters respectively, unlike Juan Manuel Marquez.

    Norwood and John also hold victories over the Mexican. Morales holds a victory over Manny Pacquiao.

    True, his inferior resume makes him inferior at this point.