So I'm an armchair fighter- Taylor vs Pavlik post fight post thoughts

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  1. pablogad

    pablogad Member Full Member

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    After watching the Taylor vs Pavlik fight I submitted a controversial post on this forum saying that Taylor was a chump - for losing in the way that he did when he should have actually closed the show. I still stand by this statement.

    I intentionally set out to arouse interest - via this controversial statement - to genuinely get a feel for what other fellow posters thought about this fight. Instead I got villified for disrespecting Taylor, and some would go further and question my credentials and my lack of bravery, hence the phrase "armchair fighter." And also - for the record - I didn't bet a penny on this fight!!! The post became increasingly controversial and let's just say the moderators' did the right thing and brought it to a close.

    After much consideration of the many direct criticisms levelled at me personally for making this statement I asked myself the following questions and eventually rested on these corresponding answers:

    Q.1 Do I really need to be a fighter to make such a statement about Taylor being a chump?

    A.1 No - many learned and revered boxing sport writers and commentators criticise and praise boxers' abilities, without having any personal first hand or hands-on experience of boxing. The fact that I do have first hand boxing experience is neither here nor there!!

    Q.2 If I was Taylor and I reviewed my performance in this fight, how would I feel?

    A.2 Like a chump, considering all that was at stake and the fact that I had an opportunity to close the show in the second round. I would also hate myself for not preparing to fight and defend myself for 3 minutes of each round for a minimum of 12 rounds (without being facious, I don't expect a non boxer to understand this statement).

    I'm getting carried away again with my thoughts and feelings regarding this fight as I beat the crap out of my keyboard - so let me draw this to a conclusion.

    When I was in my teens I recall this often used phrase, which is less common place now: "Boxing is a mug's game." I never really fully appreciated its meaning until I grew up some more, watched a lot more fights, and read about and viewed first hand the difficulties that many great and competent fighters have had to deal with in their lifes outside of the ring when their careers have ended.

    So when I see a supposed able world champion like Taylor, who unlike most other fighters is being paid bucket loads to fight, fail to rise to the occasion and seize upon a clear opportunity to end the fight and silence naysayers, I can't help but feel that he has acted like a chump. There really is no criticism here, but just honesty!

    Again hats off to Kelly Pavlik for executing his gameplan and for demonstrating that "Hard work will always overcome natural abilities." Said another way: "Hard work equals talent."
     
  2. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  3. Mrboogie23

    Mrboogie23 what the?? Full Member

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  4. RDJ

    RDJ Boxing Junkie banned

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    A chump... right. The man was a world champion for ****s sake.
     
  5. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wouldda, couldda, shouldda. You are wrong. Taylors combo that put Pav down would have stopped a strong Moose, or pretty much any other middleweight out there now. Pav., at this point of his career has fantastic recooperative powers. The fact that Pav bounced back up (on shakey legs) @ 1 or 2 was amazing. Even if Tayor was able to blast him brutaly again, who's to say Pavlik would not have gotten back up.

    The fact that Taylor ran outta gas probably has more to do with his physiology than being undertrained. He was probably in the best shape of his life. To be successful, he'll need to pace himself to overcome this deficiency.

    I rooted for Pav., but Taylor is no chump, in fact, he fought like a champ.
     
  6. Danny Ocean

    Danny Ocean My nAmE IS MoNeY Full Member

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    :yep :yep :-(
     
  7. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep.
     
  8. robert40

    robert40 New Member Full Member

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    Can't quite grasp your analogy that he lost and therefore must be a chump.

    People prepare and train to climb Mt. Everest. Some make it and some die trying. Some just don't have the natural skills to succeed and have no way of knowing to their at the point of being tested. But in my world chumps are likely to be those who don't try at all.