So, is Golovkin a coward or is Lomachenko a weak bully?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by slender4, Sep 2, 2015.


  1. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,959
    2,031
    Apr 26, 2006
    AAAAH Grasshopper, you are half-right; beacause they are black AND THEREFORE they are called cowards and bullies already by, I would say %90 of the board.

    I am just evening things up.
     
  2. Stallion

    Stallion Son of Rome Full Member

    5,561
    347
    May 6, 2013
    Lomachenko did not initially call out Rigondeaux for a fight.

    According to Lomachenko, it was Rigondeaux who was first calling for the fight, by posting it on instagram.
    * That is in fact true, you could check Rigo's instagram @rigoelchacal305 and see that the post is still there (posted about 7 weeks ago).

    Lomachenko also said that Rigo's promoter even contacted Top Rank in order to make the fight happen.

    Then the teams started negotiating the fight. They arranged the money and Lomachenko agreed to the rehydration clause.

    However, when it seemed that the fight is almost made, team Rigo suddenly backed out.

    [yt]watch?v=lNI9azfYalw[/yt]

    Now, while I'm pretty certain that what Lomachenko said in the video is true, I also wouldn't fully blame Rigondeaux and call him a straight ducker.

    He did challenge Loma first, he did come up with the rehydration clause and he did turn down the fight once Lomachenko agreed to that clause.

    However, he is a 122lbs fighter and he has never fought at 126. Challenging a fighter in a higher weight class and then turning the fight down is a stupid move, but it's not like there is no way we can justify it in this case. What probably happened was Rigo or his manager realizing that this is a very difficult fight against an elite boxer who is also bigger than Rigo (and much better than Donaire I'd add), and considering that Rigondeaux already had a good promotion deal (RN/Haymon) waiting for him, they came to the conclusion that they don't want to take that risk.

    Now, I'm not defending a so called "business decision", but I'm willing to give Rigo a pass because he is a lot smaller (he's already small enough at 122lbs) and after all he has no obligation to fight anyone above 122lbs.

    He shouldn't have called Lomachenko out at to begin with, so that's on Rigondeaux. Now he has no rights to run his mouth about Lomachenko considering what happened, but he has every right to do his stuff at 122 where he is the kingpin.

    As for Lomachenko, you can't bash him in this situation at all. He has done what he was supposed to do. Accepted the challenge and agreed to terms. The last thing that Loma should have done is saying "Rigo is small, I don't want to fight him", because we all know that certain groupies would be more than happy to talk about him ducking Rigo if that was the case.

    After all, Lomachenko went on to fight undefeated Gary Russell (rival stable fighter) on Haymon's own event (rival promotion card) in his 3rd professional fight. He basically risked everything in that fight and he came out victorious. That's among the very last guys in the sport that you can bash.
     
  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

    38,516
    8,077
    Sep 2, 2011
    No, you're just selective about what you see.

    Does Golovkin not get called a coward here? Probably about 50% of my posts are of me defending him from people who call him a coward, a ducker and so on.

    Does Lomachenko not get called for ducking Walters? It's the same thing.
     
  4. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

    24,435
    28,365
    Feb 10, 2011
    Beggers can't be chooser, you know. Rigo hasn't fought since 2014, claims that no one will fight him. A high profile guy want to to fight him and he backs off. What's he waiting for? White hair to grow before his next fight? Is he waiting for a big money fight...there isn't any for him other than Lomachenko.

    GGG on the other hand has a big money fight coming up and another big money fight with the winner of Canelo/Cotto planned. He won't move to 168 until he has taken care of business.

    Ward wants what he wants, but he's not going to get it until he build his name back up again. People claimed that Ward cleaned up his division and that's BS. Froch cleaned up the division while he was taking a nap. And now new contenders are cropping up and he hasn't fought a good fighter in years.
     
  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

    81,277
    133,733
    Jul 21, 2009
    Also Loma had already come out and said beforehand when it was put to him during an interview that he wasn't interested in fighting Rigo because he wasn't in his division and he didn't feel it was right for him to call out a smaller fighter.

    And prior to facing Russell in Russell's home country, Loma went over to the US to take on Salido in what was obviously just his second pro fight - and fighting Salido in Texas was basically tantamount to a home match for the Mexican Salido - and he got stitched up something rotten by both his opponent who came in over 2lbs overweight and whacked him in the nuts, hips and thighs all night and by one, if not the, most corrupt referees in the entire sport. Cole not only turned a blind eye to Salido's flagrant and excessive low blowing, he allowed him to get away with it all night even though it was so flagrant Stevie Wonder could've seen it from a mile away at night. Loma was absolutely devastated by that loss (only the second in his 400 bouts amateur and pro or whatever the number is) but he couldn't have been more classy about it afterwards. He was well within his rights to kick up an almighty fuss and complain long and hard about it but he just took it on the chin.

    [YT]JuedWLxnINQ[/YT]

    [YT]q1ob81rgECU[/YT]

    But despite the disgusting treatment he was subjected to over in the US that night, in his very next out he took on the undefeated Russell in his country (in fact, 9 of Russell's 24 fights had been fought in California too, the state Loma and he fought in) and to further swing things in Russell's favour both the referee and all 3 judges were from the US too, the ref was actually Californian as were 2 of the judges too. Loma almost even nearly got screwed over again in that fight too when one of the judges (Lisa Giampa) inexplicably scored it a draw in favour oh her countryman. :patsch
     
  6. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

    35,543
    38,514
    Aug 28, 2012
    Neither. They are all good fighters doing difficult things for their careers. Not wanting to fight the best fighters in your own division is cowardice, stepping up to fight someone at a heavier weight class is *****y and deserves respect; but there's nothing that demands fighters move up to difficult fights. There is no shame, but neither is there any special glory in staying in your weight class. Offering to fight a popular fighter from a lower weight class rather than moving up yourself doesn't really reflect very well on a fighter in my eyes, but it's nothing to be ashamed of. Lots of great fighters have done both and if the two fighters agree then so be it.
     
  7. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,959
    2,031
    Apr 26, 2006
    This may or may not be true, or it may be half-true, but what is true is that GGG (or Abel Sanchez) Called out Ward, he said that GGG would fight anyone from 154 - 168. Ward is a 168 lb.That's a call-out. He did not say, "any blown up junior welterweight at 154", or "any Brit past his prime or Mexican clubfighter at 168."

    And BTW, again, I think GGG will be in the hall-of fame when he's done, as will Loma, and Ward (Rigondeaux is much older than 34, he just started too late.)
     
  8. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,959
    2,031
    Apr 26, 2006
    You are absolutely right. But at some point, take control of your career, you tell your trainer your plans, he doesn't make them for you, and then have you looking stupid afterwards.

    Fighters should take a cue from Mayweather on this. You can criticize him, but when his father or Roger gets out of line, he tells them to STFU.
     
  9. Beatle

    Beatle Sheer Analysis Full Member

    9,270
    269
    Apr 12, 2009
    What a stupid argument. Loma is offering a fight to Rigo who has no credible opponents to fight in his weight class. And it was Rigo who called out Loma and then ran across the street and hid behind the bushes.

    Ward offered Golovkin a fight at 168 but Golovkin still has lots of great opponents to fight at 160, like Jacobs, Lee, Quillin and others.
     
  10. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,740
    89
    Jan 14, 2011
    Lomachenko's manager called out Rigondeaux 3 days before the Instagram post so it was his team that was, in fact, calling out a smaller fighter. This was much ado about nothing anyway because it should be clear to everyone that Rigondeaux is never fighting for Gary Hyde again and he was the one that seized on Lomachenko's manager's comments to either get one last fight or to try to make himself look useful so he can extend the contract.
     
  11. J.BULLA

    J.BULLA Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,759
    176
    Jun 9, 2011
    GGG primary aim is to unify 160 division

    Isn't that what we want from all our top fighters ! To try and be the unified undisputed top guy in their weight class ?
     
  12. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,959
    2,031
    Apr 26, 2006
    He does have credible opponents in his weight class, Frampton and Quigg and Santa Cruz, and they are ducking him, just as Golovkunnts rightfully say, Quillen, Cotto and Canelo are ducking him.

    So again, what's the difference?
     
  13. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,959
    2,031
    Apr 26, 2006
    That's Rigondeaux's aim, and like Golovkin, the others don't want to fight him. Unlike Golovkin, he's not making offers to CERTAIN fighters at 126.