So is Seth Mitchell one of the one's that was playing football that can beat the Klit

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There's your athleticism.

 

Another good point that the other side has NEVER properly addressed.

They just cling to their specious(sp) argument(s) and NFL/NBA uber-athlete baby blanket theiry.

One thing I am certain of is that if you rewrote history and made every current NFL and NBA player take up boxing instead. The best fighters would end up being guys that nobody ever expected.

 

Euro fans are scared that the title will be coming home again soon . It was a fun Klitastic ride but it's coming to an end. 2013 will be ruled by Mayhem.

 

AGAIN, ITS THE VAST POOL OF TALENT THAT IS IN THE NBA/NFL and or lost with all those that tried to make it in those sports but failed...so maybe they could have been better off in boxing.

Out of that pool, after weeding everyone out, then you may have a number of athletes that would have become good at boxing had they started "boxing" early in their youths like they did the other sports.

The NFL and NBA argument is alive because that's where the OPPORTUNITY is. The key word is opportunity.
What else led the other guys into boxing in the first place? just to lose some weight? NO. Opportunity to get out of the ghetto.
Back then there were more gyms, more teachers, and more opportunity in boxing. They had a better amateur program as well.

But of course, a lot had to do with boxing declines. The Economy boom post WWII forced a decline. The G.I. bill to soldiers who sought a college education. Loans that helped kids go to college which also we can include building more universities. And so on. So really, if your country still has boxing, and that is seen as a great opportunity, maybe the only opportunity for a youth...it's not something to be really proud of.

However, with the rise of popularity of the NFL/NBA, athletes not only saw a future there, where, opportunity was still in the ability to get yourself a College Education for FREE....which at this point, in this era of jobs, College has become almost a requirement unlike in years past...so even if you injured yourself or just aren't good enough to go Pro, you still have a Free Education that could land you a decent paying job...unlike boxing where it leads to you sweeping floors.

So again, I still hold that had the Klitschko brothers been born in the States, the road that they would have more than likely taken would have been in one of the two sports..basketball and/or Football...where you can be given a Full Free Scholarship while testing your ability at the sport you like....and if you are good enough...come out of school with a degree and a chance to go Pro.
With their Parents, their foundation...boxing wouldn't have been for them when their parents saw such an alternative opportunity with a greater path.

 

It's still about the opportunity and what a poor kid is willing to do.

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If Benny Leonard was born now, he would have ditched the idea of boxing and gone straight to College even if he was born in the ghetto.

I was just focusing on HWs, but this opens it all up to what is really going on throughout boxing.

Benny went into boxing because it was the thing to do. There were fights all around him. There were clubs all around him. He saw a great opportunity to make a buck. In a time where there wasn't a lot of opportunity elsewhere for his kind, boxing, was a way out. Just like it was a way out for the many other groups. But it was a different time.
It was MONEY and Opportunity, the few that there was, that led him into boxing and the willingness to put himself in danger. MONEY and opportunity can make a man do a lot of things. It was MONEY and this opportunity; that many of these guys back then got their parents to accept that they sought a career in boxing. A lot of these guys even had to lie because their parents wouldn't approve. That's why you had a lot of made up names or people going under someone else's name.

As far as taking a punch...IT'S CALLED DEFENSE...and years of getting yourself accustomed to taking punches.
But more importantly, it's about years of training that enables your reflexes to avoid taking a flush shot by rolling with the punch and so on. The majority of the guys aren't standing there toe to toe to see who can take the better punch. Not the Great ones like Jack Johnson, Tunney, Leonard, Pep, Ali, etc.

And again, its not so much about who the best athlete would be but the Number of talent that tries their ability at making it in those other sports. So maybe, you even have "lost" talent because these guys didn't even make it in the NFL/NBA sports.

 

Awesome NFL iron jaws.

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There's probably no bigger Mayhem fan on this board than me......but IMO, he still needs to sharpen his defense against the jab of the longer and stronger fighters.
Not that he can't beat guys like Fury and Wach, Ustinov and Pulev....I think, no, I know he can, but watching the Tiggy fight more than 4 times, I can see that Seth eats a jab. And the K2 are far better defensively than Tiggy. Neither would be getting hit by any of those shots that got to Tiggy.

He needs to fight bigger guys to gain experience getting inside a long strong jab before he jumps in with a K2.

Can he do it......hell yeah he can, but it aint happening today and probably not in 2013 either......that is unless he gets a couple of fights with the long European E Bloc fighters first.

 

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Haha. . Aye. . He's the latest "great black hope" from America. . . He's proof that "the only reason black americans aren't dominating boxing anymore is because of football, and basketball." atsch


Although he does appear to ahve some talent, and athleticism that can be applied to pugilism. . . Still don't see anything about him that can come close to beating a Klitschko. . . Even the injury proned, 40 plus year old Vitali.

 

atsch Imagine then what boxing history would look like if the euos hadn"t been involved with 2 world wars in the 20 century ? And the iron curtain wasnt up :deal . Works both ways moron . PS And lets not forget hockey soccer college ect .:hi:

 

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Seth has a short reach--76" and is stretching to get to 6'1--how does he get inside while eating big jabs? And can he take a punch?

 

Albert Sosnowski did not start Boxing until the age of 20 and he made it all the way to a title fight against Vit.

 

YDKSANFL...

Muhammad Ali, at 6'3" 220 with his footwork and love of the camera would have probably played as a QB or Big WR had he grown up today... And George Foreman? Are you ****ing kidding me? atsch That dude has DE written all over him. Larry Holmes, as dedicated of an athlete as he is, would have gotten put on the weights and made into a LB or TE. And Joe Frazier? If you can't picture him as a fullback, then you are the one that's tired and ridiculous. Would they have made the NFL? Who knows.

You don't want to hear the NFL/NBA argument because it doesn't fit into your notion that Americans are just inferior athletes who can't play anything but the inferior sports of Handegg, Basketball, and baseball.