So is Seth Mitchell one of the one's that was playing football that can beat the Klit

Where did I make that assumption?

 

Didn't you say that if the top NFL players/athletes had started boxing at a young age instead of football, they would be great boxers?

If not, sorry for assuming that's what you were trying to say. . .

I just don't buy that being an excellent "base athlete", and transforming those inherent qualities into a sport like football, equals transfering them into boxing. . Boxing really isn't even a "sport", because you don't "play" boxing.

 

atsch Hey Jackass... Joe Frazier was around in the 60's. Reggie Bush is bigger than most of the fullbacks of that era.. How big and fast do you think Rocky Blier and Robert Newhouse (70's) were?


And had Frazier been around today, he would have packed on a lot more weight pumping iron.... He could have easily been 5'10" 220ish

 

Before I continue, I will give you the opportunity to retract this assinine statement.

 

I'm not asking you to believe anything.


But, what I believe is that regardless of the sport, if you develop at a really young age in that sport (at least while you are still physically developing your size, strength, and coordination) it would absolutely help your skill level in that sport.


Let's face it, people aren't created physicaly equal. Some people are naturally more gifted than others, and this becomes very apparent at a young age, (at least with the really outstanding kids) All I'm saying is that almost ZERO American kids who fit this description go into boxing at a young age. I come from a small city where we grew up with 4 boxing gyms. Nowadays there is only one (George Peterson's gym).


Almost every athletic heavyweight in the US today (which excludes Fat Eddie and Burrito Arreola) did something else first. You don't see the correlation here?

 

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Don't quote part of the statement. . . Quote the whole statement, and then put it in context of comparing it to football; NO, boxing is not a "sport" like football, basketball, baseball are "sports". You don't "play" boxing. . You play football, soccer, hockey, etc. :good

 

I find this arguement very stupid. thats like saying Europe, Mexico and south America aren't dominating the werlterweight division because most of their people are playing soccer or that the dominican republic isnt in boxing because their boxers are in baseball. truth is a person will take the career he is best at and likes the most its like Martinez going from soccer to boxing so this doesnt just happen in the US or in the heavyweight division.

 

You grow for the sport you are in. Especially if young.

Now if you play more than one sport, it doesn't mean you will be on the same "greatness" level with each but it does help enable you to have developed some type of decent ability because you grew/adapted for that sport.

Lots of athletes have played more than one sport growing up and been quite good at more than one...but had to make a choice in the end.

It's hard to be Jim Thorpe, Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson.
But let's take them. If Bo and Deion never grew up with baseball and tried to start in their 20's, they would more than likely SUCK and have no shot at baseball.
And seeing them try to throw a ball hard/far/accurate, track down a ball that is hit on the major league level let alone try to swing and hit.......I think that makes our point you have to start young.
Now Football, actually, it is a bit more easier to pick up late depending on the position. QB is hard to. Not so much other positions.

 

There is that point to be made. However, it is about the opportunity and choice. And many of us were specifically talking about the USA. USA has proven its worth in the sport. And although there is a valid point to be made with other countries just not having gyms, teachers, and so on...their history has never shown much favor towards growing boxing and then a sudden tail off compared to the USA stage.

So we are asking..."where did all of the athletes go (from the USA) ?"

With the American argument, we use the past. Pre-WII, there were tons of gyms throughout big cities. There was a documentary on it. Gyms filled street corners. Teachers, Students...packed gyms. It was a popular sport for many reasons. Economy was worse, fewer colleges, let alone opportunity to go to college....fewer jobs....fewer prized sports since baseball was about it (since basketball and football weren't nearly as popular)...and so on.

Now, post WII, Economy boomed so there were more jobs and more opportunity. Sports like Basketball and Football also grew. And they grew into sports where you could not only play, but the opportunity grew with it...meaning...you could play these sports and get scholarships to college while doing it.

But there was a choice. Boxing was seen as corrupt and still very much violent. Although so is Football...but again...Football became "organized" and was seen as less corrupt. It was handled better. Which allowed for more growth and opportunity and the wiser choice to go into. Amongst other reasons.


Long conversation and many variables.

I mean, if we want to make it broader like you have...well...we can bring in "why" is USA soccer suck so much. Well; there is an argument that the pool of talent is going into other sports. Sports most will never even be able to play even on the college level because they just don't have the "Big" genes to play. In Soccer, the odds would have been greater for them with there "average" genes. "Average" in being that it doesn't require you to be 6'2+ in height and over 200 pounds. That's what is great about Soccer and very appealing.

So what are we left with in USA soccer? A bunch of suburb kids whose Mom's didn't want them to play in the other sports instead of some ghetto phenom type who is stuck playing street-ball pick-up games because he wasn't big enough to play in the NBA/NFL.
Being a bit harsh but....
Our Soccer program does not compare to other countries.

 

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Coming from you that's quite rich atsch

You are trying to prove that football players would have been good had they picked boxing at a young age using Mitchell as an example.

I can do the same thing and say they would all have sucked using Quadtrine Hill as an example.

Both are equally ******ed. Some of them would have been good, and others wouldn't. Now carry on with your ****tardery :hi:

 

I know boxing isnt the most popular sport in the US but its not the most popular sport in most countries either, this is just something people came up with to discredit two great champions who have done nothin but fight the challengers that are available.

 

..they would get knocked out !

 

most guys coming from football or another sport dont excel at this sport. once they step up, they get ktfo