So it turns out Hrgovic is fighting Jerry Forrest...

Joyce has no time to waste he's 34 already. He's the only one being moved as fast. That's it. I asked for a list of five heavyweights who have been moved faster gave you decades. You just struck out. And no Hrgovic is not moving slowly. That is if you understand how heavyweight boxers have been moved in the past 40 year.

Usky was a crusier and has had 1 fight at heavyweight. That doesn't cut it.

Fans should like Hrgovic's style, he's in there to fight and for action, but as we know some....to use your code don't like EE heavyweights. You spent 10+ years tolling on them, often being wrong.

 

This is your own comment. Why are now defending the opponent?

 

Helenius was stopped by Washington but has just beaten a ring top 10 rated HW

 

I'm not defending the opponent, and think he should fight better. Where am I defending the opponent?

I think you're confused, I did say some of Hrogivc's past opponents compare to the guys Wilder gave title shots to, and were better than some of the guys Fury title shots to.

He is being move faster than most for sure. Only Dino, who has an obvious agenda and has been banned before thinks otherwise.

 

You often tend to scurry away when hard questions are asked.. Is Hrgovic being moved faster than Dubois?

My only agenda is disputing your stupid claim that Hrgovic is being moved faster than Mike Tyson.

 

I'm giving up on you, you're down to cursing. I'm getting to you too easily. Who did Tyson fight in his first ten pro fights? Hrgovic's first ten were better and you know it. If that is your issue, you're wrong.

Hrgovic is being mover very quickly. You can't name 5 who were moved fast in the past 30 years. End of. Simply stated your have been a troll for years here against certain types of people. Everyone knows it which is why you were banned. If you're a toll with insults, you will be banned again. There is no point to a debate with you, you cannot learn. The only point is humor and I've had enough of that from you for now. Moving on...

To answer you question, as you trying to find anything that would qualify as a win, the people in boxing have Hrgovic ranked higher than Dubois as do the media org that cover boxing, Dubois is being moved fast too. I suspect Joyce will spark him and that will be that.

Now for the third time, can you name name 5 heavyweights who were moved fast in the past 30 years. No, you can not.

 

I don't disagree with you, but Filip Hrgovic is almost 28 years old. Tyson Fury was only 21 by the time he had 10 bouts.

I don't see anything wrong with Filip Hrgovic's record, at this stage, but he has beaten absolutely nobody of any note, so let's not get carried away. Kevin Johnson, for instance, is old and terrible now. He comes with no ambition. Eric Molina, is old and has never beaten anybody of note in his entire career. He beat a 40 year old Tomasz Adamek, if that counts for anything.

Let's see what Filip Hrgovic is like after he's in with somebody with a pulse.

 

Yes , you are moving on as the hard questions are now being asked , exactly as i predicted.. 3rd time asking .. Is Hrgovic being moved faster than Dubois?

 

Pulev in his first 10 fights beat Skelton , Zach Page , Gbenga Oloukun and Dominic Guinn.

It only took him ONE year to beat 10 opponents , not 3... Was Pulev being moved faster than Mike Tyson too ??

 

Helenius has beaten ranked heavyweights in Peter and Brewster, so he has a past history of performing at a higher level, Forrest doesn't have a decent win on his record or any history of upsetting the apple cart.

Plus Kownacki was waiting to be exposed. Maybe Hrgovic too is just waiting to be exposed, too I do think he has some flaws which would be exploited by some, I just don't think Forrest is one to do so.

 

I dont think it would be a bad fight either, but do think that when a fighter is stepped up a bit too soon, it is hard for them to take a step back.
Wilder played the long game and had over 30 fights before he contested a title and Hrgovic may be looking to go a similar route??

 

What Helenius has done is not in question.
You insinuated less of Forest saying he was KO'ed by the light punching Gerald Washington as in to insinuate less, yet Washington has also KOd Helenius and as we know Helenius has just beaten a Ring mag top 10 HW.

I always thought Helenius was going to become a world champion early in his career when I watched him and rated him highly, but when he beat Peter and Brewster they were on bad runs.
When you say they were ranked, who was that with?

Maybe, but I dont think you expected him to lose to Helenius

Maybe Hrgovic too is just waiting to be exposed, too I do think he has some flaws which would be exploited by some, I just don't think Forrest is one to do so.[/QUOTE]Maybe.
Thats the thing with an 11 fight fighter in that it is early and anything can happen, which is why I dont think for an 10 fight fighter that it is a terrible match up

 

The Washington loss wasn't my only reason, I also stated that the then novice cruiserweight Hunter had no problems with him and there are many other obvious reasons as to why Forrest isn't a threat to Hrgovic. The fact he has no notable wins is one, all his wins have been against very poor opposition, he's only fought 7 guys with winning records and most of those 7 barely had any fights.

I get this is heavyweight boxing, as Helenius proved if you can punch, anything can happen at heavyweight, but honestly do you really qualify Forrest as dangerous or risky, to me that's just a stretch. He's only 6'1" and not even known as being a puncher.

I also don't think it's a terrible match up and I wouldn't of been critical had he not been offered a better opponent in Bakole. He was given a choice, Bakole a fight he can win and learn from or another easy blow out he learns nothing from and gains nothing from. Now if indeed Forrest is just going to be a tune up fight for a better opponent like Bakole then I have no issue with that, but if this leads to a pattern of not taking risks, even small ones then I can't really agree with that.

 

Hunter has turned out to be a decent fighter. Hunter would have been considered a novice and gave Usyk a long fight, so to say Hunter didnt have trouble doesnt really mean much to me especially when Forest had not had 10 fights himself then either.
Many fighters have no notable wins. It also depends what you call a notable win. Many would say that Jennings or Ortiz dont have many notable wins but have proved to be decent HWs.
Hes fought 11 fighters with winning records from what I saw

Also do note that many 11 fight novices arent always looking to fight someone who poses a threat as shown when I showed you who the then current top 10 had fought in fight 11

No, I dont see it much different to yourself in the quality of match up just dont think for a 10 fight fighter that it is bad and Forest I expect has some punch to have 20 of his 26 wins inside schedule

Why do you see Bakole as so much of a better opponent? Im not saying he is or isnt but you said Hunter had no problems with Forest yet the same Hunter stopped Bakole who outweighed Hunter. Forest has had more fights than Bakole even if he hasnt beaten someone like Wach who was coming off 2 losses and in his later 30s
I really dont see it as a bad fight for a 10 fight fighter.

I do admit due to having watched Bakole, I would have been more interested in that fight, but I wonder if it is more about gaining winning experience and taking the longer road like Wilder did