just got back from work to hear this terrible news. just wanted to know if there is anyone here who actually thinks its a good idea or we are all in agreement that it was a terrible idea all round ? the way i see it if he left arum to go out on his own -earns himself alot more money (which is important at this stage in his career) -opens up options to fight just about anyone (not just TR fighters), which would further extend his amazing resume and legacy i know this will likely turn into a pac v floyd thread so iv decided to leave the latter of the 2 out of discussion. but i feel the 2 points i made pretty much leave one decision to be made.. unless im missing something here? i know manny has a lot on his plate with his political career but as big of a star as manny is he could pay someone closer to him like buboy to manage him..
Of course it's a stupid move for team Pac. Lesser fighters have done self-promotion successfully so why can't he? But then again as I've said in the other thread, there is probably something bigger going on the background that persuaded Pac and his pool of advisers to continue the co-promotion with Arum. Maybe something to do with his tax problems. Also as I've said as far as Manny's career is concerned, his best move right now is to go down to 140 and fight Garcia, Provo and/or Matthysse. But Garcia and Lucas are with Golden boy and Provo is training under Roach.
pac is a full time congressman, reportedly being eyed for a senatorial slot in early 2016. pac's promotional co. does business with arum's tr too. and he is reportedly eyeing to be a part of a professional basketball expansion team this year. this is outside of his showbiz /endorsement/ pastoral commitments. pac has varied interests in life. boxing is a small part of his life now. sad but thatls life.
but boxing will be his main focus if he plans on fighting on ppv / elite level he would have to be as focused as he is currently. i get that he cant really be to involved with the promotional business side of this but like i said someone else can take care of that (maybe someone closer to pac who is more trustworthy and wont bleed him dry) do you think manny leaving TR stable would have been a better option or are you happy with him staying ?
boxign is main focus when it's time to fight. even then, he is sorrounded by his political aides during training. he does bible studies during training as well. i was glad the pastors had deviced a plan to hold the daily bible studies early in the morning instead of late at night. this forced pac to sleep early instead of staying late. either way there is nothing you can do. unless someone can say with certainty that pac-pedjr happens without re-signing with tr, then maybe. but, pac leaving tr without assurance, he is going to get cornered by pedjr/gaymon/shittier/showtime. he would be lowballedl and he has no choice because he cant go back to tr/hbo again. bradley also re-signed with tr. and just got paid 6m vs. pac. who knows if arum offered pac slots on for his stable for years even after pac has retired from fighting. we dont know.
no we dont know for sure that pac floyd would happen if floyd left but floyd tried to get the fight made years ago and bob arum stood in the way with numerous excuses (he has clearly made more then both floyd and manny combined) - http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11512.html if pac left and floyd did not allow the fight to happen mannys got plenty of options ? why would gbp or any other promoter turn down a chance to work with one of this generations biggest stars and boxing global icon ? like i said i dont even think floyd needs to factor into this for it to be a bad decision from mannys end
yeah he has plenty of options. thats;s not the question. will he have the time to get all these options scrutinized? that takes months. the current setup is tr does all the leg works. at the end of the day pac is presented with a number of options and he will just pick one, with everything taken care already. if he leaves tr, he will be forced to do it his own that not only will it work in the phils, it should also work in the u.s, which means he needs to put up with a license u.s. while he is in the phils doing his congress thing. that/s not gonna work. if he leaves that to the other promotional company like gbp, then it's the same thing, he just replaces tr with another company that will do the same thing that tr does. and the fighters under gbp aint gonna do any for his legacy. pac gets paid 20m minimum wage regardless. the only thing that matters, really if we can get the pac-pedjr fight. without that assurance, it's pointless. if pedjr/gaymon/shittier/showtime is serious, the y could have already offered pac a deal, similar to what showtime did. obviously, it's all lip service. or maybe arums;s offer is better. we just dont know. prolly because of tax implications lmao.
If Pac were to leave Arum, Void would make up another excuse. Showtime is not happy with Void's PPV numbers, but a Pac/Void fight would make record huge numbers, but Void allows his extreme fear to keep him from fighting Pac. Pac will knock Void out............
Regardless of just Mayweather which is the only thing people seem to be discussing, all the way around this would be good for boxing. Cotto makes way more now "self promoted" than he ever did before. Why can't Pacquiao cut out the majority percentage of Top Rank? I don't see the benefits.
so in 2009 when manny was looking his best void was so afraid he offered 50/50 gave manny a compromise on testing (14 days) because 0 was an issue (still shady) and gave into pacs 10m per lb weight clause but i guess had manny not walked away from the table he would have made another demand ? atsch
pretty much. everyone seems to be bringing up pacs political responsibility and thats fine but no one has said why buboy or someone close to pac cant do it. 20m paycheaque at toprank is not bad.. but with only a few fihgts left why not double that, while also improving on your already ATG legacy and resume ?
Why should Manny be forced to leave Top Rank??? Why is it down to Pacquiao to betray a friend and be disloyal? Why doenst Floyd and Schaefer man up and start negotiating wth Arum? Arum is willing to negotiate, Floyd and Schaefer are not! its ridiculous how people are acting like its all down to Pacquiao which clearly isnt the case.
his not forced to do anything.. its 100% his choice otherwise the contract with arum would have been career wide. but it was not. pac has nothing to gain staying with arum. sure he helped manny gain exposure but he has been with arum for years now. he has earnt him a **** ton of money and manny pays him enough out of his pocket as it is. manny owes him nothing, its not a question of loyalty.. its business not personal. like iv said someone at MP promotions can manage manny for far less cash and look after manny while he does his training and political duties. the man is a cash cow and a global icon he does not need bob arum anymore his name promotes itself at this point. why not open the door to new challengers and more cash. makes 0 sense.. i know its going to open a can of worms but iv come to 2 conclusions 1. pac is avoiding floyd and hiding behind arum or the more reasonable option 2. bob arum is blackmailing pac. I DONT KNOW WHAT WITH.. but he clearly has something over him... his a shady character and has been reportedly involved in bribing and other criminal activity. all his fighters are jumping ship. IM TELLING YOU HE HAS SOMETHING ON PACQUIAO. i dont think pac is scared of anyone.. and his been knocked out before his selling value has taken about as much of a hit as it possibly can so theres no reason to be scared