So much for DeGale and Cleverly eh Brits?

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Groves and DeGale both have better fundamentals than Dirrell who, honestly, isn't technically skilled. They just need experience and proper tutoring and they'll surpass the level Dirrell is currently at.

    Saying that, Dirrell hasn't reached his full potential yet - I don't think. I add "I don't think" because he's close to what should be his prime yet he has a long way to go, so whether he'll achieve that or not, I don't know.
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    WTF :patsch.
    Cleverly won his fight and is in line for bigger fights :patsch

    With DeGale he lost a close fight to another excellent undefeated prospect. It was a great result for British boxing as neither DeGale or Groves suffered a KO and now there are two great SMW talents instead of people thinking there is just one. I have no doubt DeGale will win a world title and he and Groves will possibly feature again in a big fight down the road.
    Dirrell and Dawson have been exposed and Ward wouldnt leave America and challenge himself. Did you read J Baggs article on Ward in The Ring this month :lol::patsch
     
  3. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Everyone who's not a biased ****** knows Dirrell is far superior to DeGale. Technically and physically.


    The smartest thing Groves ever did was to train with Haye and Dirrell in Miami.
     
  4. Smacked

    Smacked Active Member Full Member

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    i recently heard degale interviewed telling warren he wants to be fast tracked LOL, is he delusional, the guy looked sloppy and short on ideas, he wont even win a world title the way hes going, he should give his big mouth a rest and train better and harder, hes obviously doing something wrong
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    When they were prospects they were far superior to DeGale. Never seen an elite olympian look so lost.

    You have Alexander. I have Ward and Dirrell. When they were of the same age as DeGale and Groves, entered the super six and when everyone said they'd be destroyed and lose, I said they'd win the super six and establish themselves as the 2 best super middlweights in the world. And I was largely proven correct.


    Lets go over it again simple jack


    - No head movement
    - Cant initiate contact
    - No jab
    - No idea how to attack the body
    - No Idea how to cut off the ring
    - Flurries like an amateur


    Thats your boy DeGale in a nutshell
     
  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Technically, DeGale is superior. Look at some of the absolute basic mistakes that Dirrell makes. He lets his hands drop when slipping punches, he doesn't pull his punches back correctly, his footwork is fast but poor, he moves in straight lines...

    These are basic mistakes for a boxer to be making and DeGale is beyond that level. Like I said, with experience DeGale will be a better fighter than Dirrell. He already has a better grasp of fundamentals, so it's just about learning the mental side of the game too. He's a novice in the pro ranks, so he has a lot to learn yet.
     
  7. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    DeGale was beaten but you act like he was schooled or knocked out.
    When have I ever criticized Ward? I think he's slightly overrated, yes, but he's still a quality fighter. As for Dirrell, he will always prove me right. He ducked Ward because he knew he would get schooled.
    In DeGale's 9th fight, he schooled and stopped Paul Smith. In Ward's 8th fight, he got knocked down and hurt badly against a **** journeyman. In Dirrell's 12th fight, he put on an awfully poor performance against a true hypejob Stevens, where he showed very little talent or fighting desire and was subsequently banned from HBO.

    Let's have some perspective here. At the early stages of all their careers, DeGale has done more than Ward and Dirrell. He's beaten better fighters and been tested more.
     
  8. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    The only criticisms thats real is that Dirrell tends to pull back with his hands down. But thats mostly because he's confident in his speed.

    Against Abraham Dirrell showed excellent circular movement. And I fail to see how he has poor footwork. Its almost impossible to trap Dirrell against the ropes. Give him and inch and he's out of there as he proved against Froch or Abraham. It isnt Pacquiao or Mayweather level footwork but its superior to just about everyone in the SMW division.





    :lol: DeGale cant even get out of the way of a jab. He struggled to connect against Groves. Groves was landing straight rights at will. DeGale was leading with his head and Groves was landing check hooks like he was Floyd Mayweather. DeGale trying to move forward looked like he never boxed before. You're delusional brah. "Dirrell is superior in every area" That says it all.
    He's technically inferior. And MASSIVELY athletically inferior. Watch Dirrell then watch DeGale. The speed, foot and pure athleticism is no where close. He better either start taking PED's or somehow become vastly technically improved, and listening to this kid he doesnt seem like he has the intellect to improve in such a way. Sorry Bro, Dirrell was better at that age and is far superior now.
     
  9. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you think he's technically inferior, you know very little about boxing.

    Like I said earlier, I've proven you wrong so many times, I don't think I need to carry on. Anyone who has read our debates knows that I'm always right, so if you want to insist Dirrell is a better technician, fine. When DeGale surpasses Dirrell, I won't expect an apology but I will be smug, knowing I am right...

    ...again...

    ..Jack 5949 MichiganWarrior 0

    :)
     
  10. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    And consider further those weaknesses in light of his ... his ... how shall I call it -- his personality. He makes Floyd Mayweather look like the most humble and self-effacing young gentleman in the world.
     
  11. I think even in loss DeGale showed he has more off the attributes to be a great boxer rather than Groves. Groves simply executed a good game plan and DeGale looked pretty braindead in there. If he sorts that out he has way more potential. He's a wee **** though aside is DeGale.
     
  12. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    He was beaten by a guy in Groves who was not considered a top prospect. Most had DeGale either schooling Groves or knocking him out. DeGale was supposed to be your savior in the division was he not? And he's just not that good. If Groves was faster and more athletically, he would have killed him. Instead the inferior fighter simply outboxed and outsmarted the supposedly superior man. He looked awful from a boxing stand point.
    Dirrell didnt duck Ward. He was injured. You wanted Dirrell and Ward to fight eachother because you know they are far superior to anyone in the super six. Sorry brah, not gonna happen yet. They are gonna clean out the sub par Euro's and then probably get it on.
    Anyone can be hurt with a lucky shot. Nobody was going to outbox Ward though like DeGale was hurt.

    Ward entered the Super Six at basically the same age DeGale is now. DeGale would've gotten destroyed. Ward has dominated. Completely different class of fighter. Same with Dirrell.
    At DeGale's age, Ward was schooling Kessler. At DeGales age, Dirrell was getting robbed against Froch. At the same age, Degale got outboxed by an inferior prospect.


    Says it all.
     
  13. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Look at this ****

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqVQbLKtNac[/ame]


    Even the British commentator says he's fighting like an amateur. Is there anything Groves cant land?


    Thats why I hate Olympic boxing. Its ruining professional boxing. So many bad habits it creates.
     
  14. qwert

    qwert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why do you hate the Brits so much MichiganWarrior?
     
  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Neither one of those guys can fight a lick when they fight someone legit it is going to be Shattered Glass. Other than Froch the Brits don't have anyone that is durable or worth a ****. :lol::rofl