So, Paul Williams..............

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by jpab19, Feb 20, 2012.


  1. glue glove

    glue glove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get so pissed off whenever HE gets mentioned.

    HE was in my top 3 fighters up to the Mosley fight, shocked he lost and the whole **** afterwards....

    So glad HE got caught, HE could've killed someone if not.

    CHEATING SCUM!!!
     
  2. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Margarito vs Mosley was a real event for me. It basically turned me from a casual fan to a hardcore. I remember Margo being portrayed as some invincible machine who would walk down the old man Mosley and brutally beat him down. That sinister goatee he was sporting didn't fail to convince me otherwise.
    I was wincing when the first bell rang, Mosley seemed a nice fella and it was gonna br painful seeing him hurt. I was shocked when Shane did what Margo was supposed to do, and Dished out one of the most hellacious beatings in recent world title history. Then we found out ole Tony was cheating, and Shanes
    Victory seemed even sweeter.
     
  3. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Used to?


    I agree, the bolded part in particular puzzled me a bit. Bernstein used the word ''judicious'' just about every round, which I thought was pushing it a tad. In the early going it certainly appeared that may have been the case, but as soon as he settled into his rhythm after around 4/5 rounds he was still letting 100+ shots go per round. I think it was the 8th(? It probably wasn't) where he went bat**** mental and threw about 50 punches in the opening 20 seconds but not too long after they were crediting him for it again. Strange.
     
  4. LHL

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    He's going to get caught again soon, he over commits to a lot of shots that won't land even his jab once he misses it hangs out there. Looked exactly like the Martinez KO but Ishida didn't really land anything when the chance was there.

    Agree with what's been said about the same old Paul, high work rate, poor defence, just throwing for the sake of it at times and telegraphing a lot of his shots.

    Still a nightmare style for most to deal with because of the work rate and the physical advantages but I can see him getting took out again if he keeps hanging that right hand out there.
     
  5. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    If something is blatantly not working, you change it. It's how a fighter improves, by learning from mistakes. Paul Williams could have ironed out at least some of his flaws following the Martinez loss, but chose not to as instead gave a career worse performance against Lara. It's not as though Williams was incapable of improving some facets of his game, he just for whatever reason chose not too, and it's hard to find much respect for a fighter who wont improve by learning from his mistakes.

    I'll still support him like, just don't expect to see him in my avatar :yep
     
  6. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I see. Yeah, he appears stubborn, and in my opinion is too loyal to Peterson. Which is understandable given the fact he's a father figure, but I really, really don't rate him as a trainer. Almost all of his training is centred around conditioning and being able to maintain his massive work rate it seems, and very little time is spent on him actually improving his technical abilities. His flaws are so glaring too, it's amazing that not even a minute amount of refinement has been attempted.

    You kind of expected that would remain the case even immediately after the Martinez defeat though, where they seemed to write it off as ''one of those things''. What should have been an epiphany for him was written off as a fluke(or as Paul would say - the way the cookie crumbles. Nahmsayin'?).
     
  7. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    A lot of people want to see things in Williams that just aren't there. He lacks the intelligence in the ring to really improve, because hey, throwing a thousand punches will normally convince people you're doing something.

    He's a bit of a waste of potential in many ways. He's not a big puncher, but if he was more patient I think he'd have more stoppages. And if he slowed the hell down he wouldn't eat so many shots.

    But hey, he's made a lot of money, he's happy with his career, and he's got a decent record.
     
  8. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    Peterson is a fool. He probably drilled it into Pauls head that the Martinez KO was a fluke which has subsequently ****ed Williams for the rest of his career as he doesn't think change is necessary and neither does Paul as a result.

    The Martinez loss definitely shaved a few years off Williams career IMO
     
  9. Fitzgerald90

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    most fighters wouldnt recover from a knockout like that though i dont think he will ever get back to the top id like to see williams fight one of our three top middleweights would sell and good name on the resume if they get the win.
     
  10. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are some entertaining fights out there for him. Sergio and Lara knocked the "most avoided" tag from him so as long he stops being a dick about the money, I wouldn't mind those guys mentioned above except Cintron, Vanes and Spinks. A jump back to middle for Chavez Jr would be my first choice though.
     
  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    I was thinking about that too, though I'm pretty sure that he doesn't plan on moving back up to middle so I didn't bother putting the question in the OP. I'd definitely be up for it if it were to happen though, both would be facing something they've never encountered before, the question marks surrounding Chavez's size at the weight is still a pretty big issue, however.
     
  12. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think that fight has a a lot of potential as a spectacle. Both guys holding very different advantages over the other. Outwith Alvarez, it'll pay a lot better than the other guys and PW loves to get paid well. uknowhatimsayin?:yep
     
  13. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He seems to have the same type of relationship with Williams that Jack Loew had with Pavlik. He must realise that Williams isn't progressing as a fighter and yet because they're so close, I don't think he can allow himself to let Williams move on. Loew should have done the same for Pavlik as soon as he lost to Hopkins too. He should have held his hands up, said "I can't help you any more" and let Pavlik move on to a trainer who could improve Pavlik as a fighter. Instead, that change had to be forced by the people at Top Rank, when it was far too late, and I see the same with Peterson and Williams. I don't think Peterson has it inside him to accept fault and, sadly, that stubbornness will hurt Williams; physically, mentally and financially.
     
  14. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    :nod

    I like the punch output vs size that would undoubtedly become prominent. Junior's not the type that will make Williams constantly fall short either, he'll be right there to allow him to get his punches off too. At the same time Williams hasn't ever fought anyone who could push him back to the same degree, and we've all seen what happens when there's someone who will punch with Williams.:yep
     
  15. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Interesting thing: Cameron Dunkin and Jack Loew had a conversation after the Hopkins loss, and Loew agreed to bring in another trainer to coach on the technical stuff. They'd spoken with Manny Steward, Brother Naz and a few others, who had all shown an interest.

    But Kelly didn't want any of it, he just refused outright.

    TR didn't force anything thi time either, it was Dunkin who lost patience.