So Shirley shook his head at the 12.5???????

Winkle shook his head at 12.5 because this is a hundred million dollar event, so Joshua asks for 50 million and now Shirley is shaking his head at that. But still no counter offer, still no offers of any kind from Team Wilder. Wilder claims he has been calling out Joshua for 2 years, but thats 2 years without 1 phone call, 1 meeting, 1 offer and now so far 1 counter offer still not placed on the table.

Are we sure they want this? Within 5 minutes of Joshua having his arm raised against Parker and winning yet another belt he had called Wilder out. Within 3 days of that event Eddie Hearn had placed an offer on the table, not a great offer but a start.

Standing back from this i know who it looks like wants it and who doesnt.

 

Atleast something has been placed by him. What does Wilder want? It would be alot easier if he or Shirley actually went back to Hearn rather than laughing it off on Youtube. And to be honest im still to be convinced 12.5 is a bad amount for Wilder to walk away with. Nobody seems to be able to say what Wilder brings to this fight, cuz they dont know, all they know is what he has done to date and it doesnt make good reading.

The fact it is a big unification involving a big American heavyweight should raise the numbers, but on the balance it is going to be played on PPV and in the afternoon which will put off plenty of people, who knows maybe his numbers actually go down.

 

Yes i totally agree it should definatly not be a flat fee, i dont want to see Wilder get screwed here but i do feel his actual worth seems to be really overplayed, If Joshua is bringing the Dollars Wilder is definatly bringing the pennies, its not rude it is just a fact. But like you say its too early to tell, it could take over America and the Basketball and Baseball may move to a Sunday for 1 particular weekend so the Boxing can have its focus, for that reason this fight COULD, MAYBE, be massive and Wilder has to be in a position to benefit from that which a flat fee really pisses on.

 

My reason is because i dont want to have things based completely on what Wilder has done in the past, you can use it to keep his share down a bit but this could be massive, i had the same problem when Mayweather and Pacquiao were negotiating and again when it was Canelo and Golovkin. There is a clear A side and B side in each of these fights but these fights blew up massive and it only did that because of both of them.

If it had a garuneteed figure, or so obvious its as good as, its perfectly fair to argue the split with flat fees. But if Wilder accepted 20 million flat and it did turn into a hundred million dollar fight its not right, or flip it, Wilder accepts 20 and it only makes 45 because it has bombed in America, thats Joshua shafted overpaying again.

With a percentage their money goes up and down depending on how well it does and Joshua can roughly atleast argue for a percentage that atleast garuntees him a share that he would expect to get no matter who he was fighting.

I know its not quite as basic as that but thats how i feel on it.