So the Undisputed Championship = Being WBA/WBC/IBF Champion?

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  1. JabCross727

    JabCross727 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So I was doing a little more research and found that to be considered the undisputed champion in a single weight division, you need to have the WBA title as well as two of the other three associations' championship (WBC, IBF, WBO). However, I also read somewhere that the undisputed title consists of the WBA, WBC, and IBF titles. However, if you have the WBO title that does not really count unless one is to be considered the SUPER CHAMPION = WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO. In addition, if you have a combo of the WBC/IBF/WBO without the WBA title, that is not considered being the undisputed champion. How about if you have the WBA/WBC/WBO title: is that the undisputed title right there? I was hoping someone could just clarify this for me. And how come the WBO title does not count even though it is recognized as one of the four major sanctioning bodies in boxing?
     
  2. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    there is no 1 definition. In most cases, being undisputed today means having WBA, IBF, WBO, and WBC, and sometimes even the ring.
     
  4. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    You're reading the WBA's definition of the terms. According to the WBA, if you have their title and one other title, your are the unified champ. If you unify the WBA belt with two other belts, you're the undisputed champ. If you unify the WBA belt with the other 3 belts, you're the super champ. Once again, these are terms that were made up by the WBA, and is only used to define unified WBA champs. Unified champs have mandos every 18 months. Undisputed champs have mandos every 21 months. Super champs have mandos every 24 months.

    Now, in general, the undisputed champ is traditionally the IBF/WBC/WBA unified champ. However, with the rise of the WBO belt, things have changed. Some say you need all 4, some say 3 out of 4 will do. There's no clear cut answer.
     
  5. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    another one of boxing's tragedies.I remember when it was just WBA and WBC.
     
  6. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If a guy has all 4 and losses to another guy that doesn't pay the sanctioning fees,tha guy that won is undisputed even though he has only one belt.
     
  7. Tencount85

    Tencount85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They should do away with all those alphabet titles or at least keep just the WBA and WBC.
     
  8. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    In my opinion, undisputed means UN - DISPUTED. You can't be undisputed if someone else is the lineal champ or the Ring champ, because then there's a dispute. Thus, Roy Jones Jr. was never undisputed at LHW, even though he held three of the major belts, because Tiger had just as good of a claim to be the champ as he did. You CAN be undisputed if someone else holds a paper title that you used to hold and never lost in the ring. For example, Calzaghe was undisputed at 168 after beating Kessler, even though Bute held one of the belts, because Calzaghe had claimed all of the belts and beaten all comers, and was stripped due to ABC politics. Also, Hopkins was undisputed, and Taylor was undisputed when he beat Hopkins, but Pavlik did not become undisputed when he beat Taylor (because by that time the belts had gone elsewhere, and Pavlik needs to establish his own string to be undisputed, which would require beating Abraham and Sturm).

    Of course, that's just my definition. As said above, there is no one definition that's universally used. That's just the definition that makes the most sense to me.
     
  9. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    In some Divisions the WBO is better than the others. I just go by The Ring Magazine Belt. If you are not the Ring Magazine chamopion than you are not the champion of that division.
     
  10. surreal deal

    surreal deal Liverpool via Krypton Full Member

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    I think the Ring title has waaaaay too much credibility.Its only a boxing magazine in this age of mass media and websites, but is seen by some as a sacred cow.
     
  11. Suge Green

    Suge Green Boxing Junkie banned

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    The WBO HW belt is just as valuable as the others these days.

    The undisputed title is not a specific set of championships...

    The WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO are the four major belts.

    The IBO doesn't count.
     
  12. Mrboogie23

    Mrboogie23 what the?? Full Member

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    It gets confusing really. There are too many sanctioning bodies. Undisputed is just that, when there is no one else to dispute the claim. I try to look at it in a linear fashion. Its alot easier but still can get muddled sometimes.