So, Vanes Martirosyan...

I'm a fan, and have been watching Vanes for awhile. He lost that fight.

 

I thought he won a tough gritty decision. I can see what boo is saying though as it was very close. Much closer than 97-92 IMO. I missed two rounds but I had it 5-3 with a point for the Kd for Vanes.

It exposed a major flaw in Vanes' infighting game. He couldn't handle the pressure Ouma brought on the inside, although he dominated from a distance.

In my estimation, Top Rank can either chalk this up as a learning experience and continue to push Vanes up the rankings or they can look at it as an example of him not being ready and scale back. In my estimation, they'd be wise to keep going forward.

 

They don't need to go backward or forward at the moment, They can keep him fighting at the same level against a variety of styles. There are several opponents available.

 

Such as? I'm only asking because I thought the same and couldn't find any names off the top of my head worth mentioning.

I mean I scoped the rankings for somebody but the guys he needs to face, he's already beaten (Billy Lyell, Andray Tsurkan types) and the guys he needs to fight in the next logical progressionthe rankings for him are probably way too advanced right now (Foreman, Cintron, Angulo, Martinez, Williams etc).

Carlos Quintana would be a decent choice but that guy has made a career off of upsetting not one but two solid prospects. I would vouch for Daniel Santos but he looked so god awful against Foreman I can't help but wonder if he's done for.

 

Martirosyan proved that he isn't quite ready to go against the top guys...I mean, he needed the help of the judges to beat a relative bum...

 

Vanes is another Top Rank creation, first time he fights a guy in the top 40 and he gets a gift decision. He's going to be fighting bums for the next 2 years at least, he's pretty much the second coming of Chavez jr.

 

I think pickng opponents requres us to look beyond the surface of the win/loss recorde. For example, Bundrage beat Ouma, and then Brewer beat Bundrage. In a sense, Bundrage and Brewer would both be small steps up. More importanlty they would give the still developnig Vanes a chance to experinece different styel: A wrestler and a broke neck poormans Hopkins.

 

You're a ****ing idiot :roll:

 

Ouma as has been illustrated was a live underdog going into the fight. He was the 154 Champion, and he was a full step up in class


Vanes is a prospect, an elite one, but he obviously needs more experience.

As Arriba pointe out, he inside game is weak. He doesnt know how to use his size or strength to fight on the inside. He smothers his punches, tries to pull back, and lets his opponent control him


If I was a matchmaker for Vanes, I would say he needs experience fighting punchers that are noted pressure fighters and can force a fight on the inside.

We all know he can box. But the elite guys at 154 can box on the outside, fight on the inside, and control the distance. Vanes needs to be able to do all 3


Going through the 154 rankings, Carlos Molina is on a hot streak right now. Roberto Garcia is another possibility.

Angulo would be a BIG test for Vanes. That would be a make or break fight for him. I'd would go there just yet though.

Mean Joe Green has been making some noise, Ive read good things about the kid. Dont know if his handlers would want to fight Vanes, but there could be something there

 

There's a good chance Brewer gets beaten soundly by Lara. If that happens, you open up the flood gates for people to say that Vanes is picking on a Lara left over.

Bundrage would be a good move but I heard rumors of retirement for K-9.

 

Ouma was a 10-1 underdog, quit trying to make it seem like Ouma wasn't a guy coming off losing 4 of his last 5 fights. The only fight he won in the past 5 was against Martinus Clay who had a 13-18 record.

He's been a pro for 5 years and has 27 fights, that's not a elite prospect. We call that Chavez Jr in the making.

Vanes is a hype job, until he clearly beats anybody in the top 40 he's just another Chavez Jr.

 

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that Lara beats the **** out of Vanes right now.

Lara has been a pro less then a year and half with 9 pro bouts and he's already fighting a guy in the top 40, that's whats called an "elite prospect".

 

Ouma was clearly a guy on the slide no doubt about it...but he was also fighting for his career. That's quite the incentive to pull off something drastic.

That's ignorant to say the least. There's no timetable for when someone goes from "prospect" to legit.

He's had 27 fights? Big deal. For instance from Feb 08 to Feb 09 he had six fights. A lot of his work is packed into tight spaces. In 2007 he was fighting every two months. Again, just a lot of work crammed into a tight schedule.

He's still a prospect. You can fight 50 guys in 3 years and still be a prospect. Wins and losses don't define progress.

Edit: For some reason I wrote Feb 99. I must want to back to fifth grade.

 

The competitive level of a highly regarded Cuban amateur and everybody else is a little slanted.