so wait, Roy Jones got popped for steroids?

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  1. fists of fury

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    Exactly. :good

    It's nothing to do with morals though. It's about winning, to make money.

    Christ, kids in high school are juicing themselves to the gills for sports, people in gyms everywhere are juicing to look and perform better, and people naively think professional fighters - fighters with millions on the line - don't.
    Hilarious.
    Wake up and smell the aroma fellas. They're all as guilty as sin.
     
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  2. fists of fury

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    Francois Botha was bust too, if I recall.
     
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  3. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    But all because Pacquiao couldn't reach an agreement with Floyd about blood testing, doesn't mean that much, IMO. . . I blasted him for not taking the tests, but it was all about "ego/power/control". . . And the fact that Floyd came at Manny accusing him beforehand. . . It was more of a "I'm not giving in to you" type of deal, IMO. . .

    There's just as much reason to suspect Floyd, as there is Manny, or any other boxer who has never had any kind of circumstantial evidence levied against them - like the "Evan Fields" instance with Holyfield, etc.

    I guess Hopkins is roiding too (or roided against pascal) because he didn't jump at the chance to take the blood tests to prove it? Yet nobody gives him shyt. . . I just don't want to take away from Manny's, and Nard's aamazing, once in a generation accomplishments without evidence.

    I guess we should suspect every boxer in history who has accomplished the seemingly "un-accomplishable"? Not fair to them
     
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  4. knockout artist

    knockout artist Boxing Addict banned

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    :lol::rofl:patsch


    So the guy who has made an issue of cleaning up the sport, and demands OSDT for all of his fights, should be suspected of using steroids? Despite the fact he's never failed a test in his career :patsch

    Evan Fields is conjecture, there is no substantial proof.

    With Roy Jones, the evidence is black and white, clear as day. I provided you with sources and facts on the previous page. There has to be a huge cloud over anything Roy Jones achieved as a professional up until the Richard Hall fight, as it's possible if not likely,that he was abusing anabolic steroids for a long time before he got caught.
     
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  5. fists of fury

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    Funnily enough, I don't think Tyson used them in the 80's. He was surrounded by old-school people like Cus and Jimmy Jacobs. Rooney by extention of Cus.
    I think Jacobs would have been mortified at the very thought, so careful was he with Tyson's image back then.
    I can't rule it out altogether, but my gut instincts tell me he wasn't doing anything back then.

    In the 90's? You bet. I have no doubt whatsoever. His body took on a different look, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the bite incident with Holyfield wasn't a case of roid rage.
     
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  6. king khan

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    LOL! yeah, Floyd is really trying to "clean up" the sport! :lol: And yes, as of now, there's no more evidence to suggest Manny is/has used PED's, as there is Floyd. . . How many times have we seen the guy who pretends to be righteous, to be the "sinner"?

    The "Evan Fields" incident is circumstantial evidence: " . . . a patient by the name of "Evan Fields" caught investigators' attention. "Fields" shares the same birth date as Holyfield -- Oct. 19, 1962. The listed address for "Fields" was 794 Evander, Fairfield, Ga. 30213. Holyfield has a very similar address. When we called the phone number that, according to the documents, was associated with the "Fields" prescription, Holyfield answered. . . " :lol: @ Holyfield answering. . .
     
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    After the Schulz fight.
     
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  8. knockout artist

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    Once again, Floyd demands OSDT for all of his fights now. Why would a fighter who is benefiting from steroids abuse, start demanding extra testing!? You make no sense.

    Once again, Holyfield never failed a test. There are big questions marks about him though, however you can't quite label him a steroids cheat without more substantial evidence, he is however highly suspected.

    Onto Roy Jones, he actually failed a steroids test, the first time he was ever tested. That is black and white, clear as day. Jones was an anabolic steroids riddled disgrace, who's cheating comprised the integrity of the sport. That's a fact, you can't argue with it.
     
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  9. king khan

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    Just saying - there have been too many examples where the guy who pretends to be righteous, is actually the one who has sinned. . . I'm just pointing out that all because Floyd demands the blood testing protocol now, doesn't mean he hasn't used htem in the past. . . Showing that there is NO MORE evidence to suggest manny has used, than Floyd has. . .

    I know Holyfield never has, which is why I don't label him a "steroid cheat"; I was just putting it in context with the accusations against Manny, though. . . If you're going to label manny one, with absolutely NO EVIDENCE, you gotta label Holyfield one, where there is actually some circumstantial evidence. . . Me, personally, I give hte fighter the benefit of hte doubt, and unless caught, they don't deserve to be labeled in the same category as those who have.

    I'm not arguing with the fact Roy failed one. . .
     
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  10. king khan

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    What about Hopkins? How do you feel about him refusing to take blood tests against Pascal?

    I don't think pascal had any right to accuse Hopkins, just like FLoyd had no right to accuse Manny. And Hopkins shouldn't have had to take "Pascal's tests" to prove anything. . .
     
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  11. TAFFA

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    Steroids or no steroids, you still have to eat big and train hard for them to become effective.....
     
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  12. knockout artist

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    If Floyd was benefiting from the use of steroids, why would he demand OSDT!? :patsch

    Manny is suspected because he refused to submit to extra testing. Coming up with bull**** excuses like 'I'm scared of needles' and so on.


    Did I label Pacquiao a steroids cheat? I only labelled Roy Jones one.
     
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  13. king khan

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    No, not outright but you certainly seem to be indicating he is; or there is a good chance he is. . .

    Once again, I'm not saying Floyd is using steroids now. . . I'm simply saying there is NO MORE evidence to suggest Manny is using them. . . Floyd could have used them in the past before he started demanding the drug testing protocol. . . I don't tihnk he has, but once again, NO MORE, NO LESS evidence to suggest he has, or hasn't than there is with Manny. . .
     
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  14. knockout artist

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    How did I indicate he is!?

    How much clearer can I make this, if Floyd was benefiting from using steroids, why would he start demanding OSDT!? Pacquiao is only suspected because he refused to submit to OSDT. If he had agreed when Floyd first brought it up, instead of coming up with bull**** excuses, no-one would ever have suspected him.
     
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  15. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Your tone certainly indicates that there should be more of a "cloud of suspicion" above Manny, than Floyd.

    How much clearer can I make myself: Floyd could very well have used steroids in the past. . . this whole "clean up the sport" image is BS. . . How many times have we seen the guy who comes out accusing, and acting righteous, to actually be the one who did wrong? I don't think he has, but I don't think his new "drug testing stance" makes it any MORE, NO LESS likely he has used PEDS.

    If you don't think Manny has/is using steroids, then cool, we're on the same page regarding that issue. . . I'm just saying there's no more, nor no less reason to believe Manny has used steroids, as there is Floyd. . Why? because there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE (not even circumstantial like with Holyfield) to indicate otherwise. . .
     
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