so were did wilder get the $$$$$ or is it a pr move ?

It's obviously publicly done.

We're talking an amount of 4 times less from a side that everybody knows makes tens of millions per Joshua PPV, compared to a side that never made over 2.5M

 

Robney Robney Robney.....I thought you were more intelligent than this my boy!

Where were you trotting out this same ''it's all pr'' excuse when Eddie Hearn was sending twitter messages offering Wilder a take or leave it flat fee of 12 million?

Have you ever considered he made less ppv sales because he was fighting lesser known fighters?

You can't seriously believe a fight of this magnitude with all the belts on the line, wouldn't break ppv numbers, with two of the best heavweights and the Las Vagas hype machine behind?

Your God Hearn even claimed it could easily do 100 million before realising he had shot himself in the foot and backtracked.

 

offer was probably rejected as soon as it was received..."no rematch clause, take it or leave it". they're both making offers they know full well wont be agreed to. they're both as bad as each other

 

it was DiBella who made the 12.5m offer public, not hearn

there's no way it breaks the PPV records, that's ridiculous. AJ isn't known in America and nor is Wilder

Hearn never said that. he said he "hoped" that it could do those numbers

 

This is hilarious on Hearn's part.

If you have even the slightest bit of potential for independent thought, you'd see Hearn offering Wilder $12.5mn flat was 100% a PR move. Hearn 100% knew Wilder would reject it when he made it, and it was so far away from fair that he knew it was a poor start to any legit negotiations.

Why didn't you create any threads knocking Hearn for that clear PR move????

Offering AJ 50-50 with a $50mn guarantee is a terrible PR move if the offer is fake. All Hearn has to do is accept this massive offer, ask for a proposed contract and then it's game over if uncle Al pisses about.

 

My god Hearn? I don't worship gods because I myself am the only true god in this universe, praise my name.

But seriously, you think I'm defending Hearn here by saying this is a pr move? Hearn is just as bad and did the exact same thing. They're both equally insincere, but this one is even more obvious because it's pretty unlikely they will be able to put on the funds for it up front.

 

The strange part is they've only got 24 hours to accept the "offer" when they have a meeting scheduled for Friday.

What's the urgency? Why can't it wait till then. $50m contracts don't get agreed overnight. That's absurd.

 

If it's pr move, then why would Wilder match their demands? If Hearn accepts and it turns out to be fake, who loses out and ends up looking the fool?

I don't like repeating myself, but there are many names in the US along with big gambling companies and Television networks who will be more than willing to invest in this fight to generate the funds for this fight.

Wilder and his men are not the children of the poor.

Only when Wilder sends a offer is it not taken at face value.

I've never seen boxing fans request proof for a contract with any figher in the past. Never. Only now Hearn played out this line of thinking, does the rest of followers begin acting as if they are the IRS and need to see Wilder's sources of income.

 

Were you saying that any offer which didn't include a location and date couldn't be considered genuine? I saw that very point being made in the aftermath of Hearn's flat fee offer last week. Maybe not by you but certainly by many here.

This debate is unduly polarised and has been so for some time.

 

I didn't and still wouldn't need to see confirmation of location, date and time etc.

All I'm concerned with as a boxing fan is that all parties can agree a deal whatever it is.

I don't care if Joshua is getting the better split or Wilder. None of it is going into my pocket. I just want to see the fight get made which is why I sympathies with Wilder's suppporters, because they are only interested in seeing the fight happen.

While Joshua's fanboys don't really want to see the fight materialize, they want him to see him protected at all costs whilst they hang on every word that comes out of Hearn's slimy silver spooned mouth.

Hearn with his cheeky chappy persona has them all wrapped around his little finger pulling their strings like puppeteers, smiling and lying in their faces, knowing full well he has no intention of making AJ- Wilder next.

Now he's been backed into a corner by this latest offer, he's going to have to think long and hard how to wriggle out of this one and saving face at the same time.

 

I agree with the first part of your post, I want to see the fight too.

The second part, the generalisations about the views of the opposing camps I disagree with. Whilst there's some truth there I think it's also crude, divisive and lacking foundation. To hold that position you need to ignore a lot of evidence on the opposing side, particularly around the area of Wilder's management and past record.

But I do agree on the first point so will leave it there.

 

Only an idiot thinks that this is all one sided, BOTH sides are being dishonest and playing the game at the moment as this is just part of the ongoing negotiations. Its just one upmanship from both sides and if some people cant see that then they truly are blindly loyal or very stupid

 

Very possible, but still Hearn/Joshua would want prove.

They're not unmeasurably rich either. $50M is a lot of money.

It's much, much more money as Hearn came up with, and even in that case it was a pr stunt.

Yes they have, and every time it was when one side made an offer that seemed too good to be true and/or the stipulations were a large part of the negotiation process.
And Wilder's income besides his purses doesn't seem to be very much, because he's just not that popular. Joshua has a whole (partly deluded) country behind him it seems, and for him $50M is a whole lot of money.

 

Hahahaha when has any other promoter in recent times been called on by fans to prove they have the money they're offering. Matchroom FC taking a big L here