So what “style advantage” did Ruiz have over Joshua?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    First of all, I think AJ was a very good champion, is a magnificent athlete (always in shape) and took defeat with sheer class that is often lacking. But here begs the question, exactly what style advantage did Ruiz have over him in order to win?

    Believers of the “style advantage” Maxim is completely different to the “styles make fights” legend.

    “Styles makes fights” really refers more to fighter A losing to fighter B then beating fighter C who beat fighter B.

    “Style advantage” is where people insist on “Slugger” “Swarmer” “ Boxer” ideals. With the category itself having an advantage.

    So what category is Ruiz and what category is Joshua and why did this result happen?
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    "Styles make fights" is a problematic term for nobody I know except you.

    Your obsession with it is weird, and this thread is weird.

    It assumes plenty, much of it debatable, and some of it revealing the general level of confusion that seems to purvey your life, or at least your life on this forum.
     
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  3. MeatFeastMan

    MeatFeastMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He had nothing over AJ. The result happened as I expected it would. I thought AJ was going to win easily. But...I saw the weigh in. And I noticed one thing that put a big fat doubt in the back of my mind. AJ had no serious face. He was all laughs, all fun, and even in the staredown he wasn't 100% serious. I put that in the official fight thread last night. AJ was underestimating Ruiz. That's all it was. He wasn't taking Ruiz seriously at all.

    AJ wasn't there mentally even before he stepped in the ring and that's what cost him. You don't overlook anybody and that's exactly what AJ did.
     
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  4. reckless

    reckless Active Member Full Member

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    Well Duiz had the faster hands for sure.

    I expect Joshua to turn into a Lewis and Wlad clone now. Jab and grab!
     
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  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Your response is weird. You promote style advantage.

    I am not confused with styles make fights. Absolutely not.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don't "promote it" that is another bizarre remark.

    I just recognise it, like literally everyone in the world who knows anything about boxing at all.
     
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  7. Baneofthegame

    Baneofthegame Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah I agree with this, all the Wilder talk in the lead up etc.

    He then thought Ruiz was done and was sloppy, all credit to Ruiz, he came and said he would shock the world and he backed up his words, deserved winner.
     
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  8. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    The advantage is that Ruiz is a natural born fighter who has a feel for boxing, while Joshua fights mechanical like a robot.
     
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  9. It's Ovah

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    He was shorter, more compact, had shorter arms and quicker hands.

    His whole mindset was geared to firing back under fire.

    He was able to have an advantage in close and catch Joshua through his guard.
     
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  10. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Active guard.
    The way Ruiz was moving his head and hands completely confused Joshua.
    With every movement Ruiz was basically asking Joshua: "Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do?"
    And every time Ruiz asked a question, Joshua responded with a question of his own, instead of an answer.

    They looked levels apart.
    I have given Ruiz a ton of **** but he truly has more talent and boxing craft/IQ than Joshua.
     
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It is not bizarre remark that you have promoted the category of one style over another. Since you recognise it, How about answering the question of what style advantage Ruiz had here? That would be nice.

    Ruiz fought a better fight. Took ring centre and the anxiety of not being in total command exhausted AJ.

    Both showed heart getting off the floor but Ruiz showed more poise, held it together. Because he was not in shape Ruiz had to conserve himself very well. He took a rounds off to recover from the exertions of hurting Joshua. Importantly Ruiz worked out Joshua could be tagged when ever he opened up. He knew when to strike and AJ didn’t. He never worked out he was getting caught opening up.
     
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    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Styles make fights doesn't always mean that the winner has a style advantage over the other person, just that "styles make fights".
    You can have a good fight/matchup due to contrasting styles, and you can have a mismatch/stinker due to contrasting styles, it's not just about who wins.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It is, or you don't understand what promotion means. It's a bizarre, strange thing to claim.

    I don't think Ruiz had a style advantage.
     
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  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yeah, but what was the style advantage in the slugger swarmer boxer theme?
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    What category is he then?
     
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