So what “style advantage” did Ruiz have over Joshua?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    so long as it only constitutes an advantage when the fighter can impose the successful use of his style against the other.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nobody has ever said otherwise to my knowledge.
     
  3. MarcelCerdan13

    MarcelCerdan13 Member Full Member

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    The counter pressure fighter style that poster are using to describe Ruiz is spot on. He’s always coming forward and threatening, but doesn’t apply pressure with tremendous volume or look for an explosive leaping punch. He’s a reactive fighter first. He’ll prod with his jab, but ultimately he’s waiting to feel something- whether it’s on his gloves or his or body- so he can fire back instantly with speed and power. He almost never throws power punches unless his he’s countering. Joshua was way too attached to his left hook, so much so that he ignored his trainer’s advice from round 1 to stop using it. Every single time it came out Ruiz would immediately answer with his own or an overhand right. He also was absolutely unwilling to buy any of Joshua’s feints, which it made impossible for him to setup his uppercut.
     
  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Well what changed? What did Ruiz do that previous fighters didn't do?

    Well... you see that one shot that Wlad and Whyte landed on AJ and caused AJ problems and a dramatic shift in attitude?

    Yeah well Ruiz JR threw MANY of those shots, at the right time, with speed. AJ could't time the counters, and he was outgunned.

    We'd never seen AJ take that punishment before, I said before that Povetkin didn;t have the power (at his age) to trouble AJ.

    But Ruiz Mexican style, with youth on his side gave Joshua more than he could handle. And Ruiz did it FOUR TIMES! Till AJ learned his lesson.

    AJ is used to dominating his opponents when he gets into an exchange, but never did he exchange with someone like Ruiz Jr.

    AJ is suseptible to someone who can exchange with hard shots, often and who isn't gun shy... ergo Wilder, Dillian and Ruiz Jr.
     
  5. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Even if he did he definitely needs a much better trainer.
     
  6. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    He doesn’t all that big idiot had to do was fight behind the jab . Also learn to hold when hurt. Jesus people act like the fight was close
     
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  7. BoxingIQ

    BoxingIQ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    From what i've seen from the Parker, Povetkin, and Ruiz fights is that Joshua has problems with guys who have fast hand and who are able to fight in the pocket. For all we know, Miller probably would've beaten Joshua last night. Joshua does pretty good against fighters who stay at a distance.
     
  8. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Joshua simply weren't durable enough to trade with Ruiz on the inside. Both had the same hand speed. But the blob could take more punishment, and that was evident in the exchanges. Nobodies gonna beat Ruiz by stoppage in my opinion, other than maybe Wilder. You got to outbox him on the outside, and keep moving.
     
  9. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, Ruiz is just better
     
  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The fascinating thing is Ruiz did this with a smaller reach, no real pace, whilst being much much shorter. The weight he had on him also actually restricted his output.

    He is very seasoned, game and knew what to do.

    There are a lot of ways to beat Ruiz but you have to have a better understanding of boxing generalship, and foot positioning than Joshua has.
     
  11. Jambon

    Jambon Active Member Full Member

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    He had no style advantage. He pounced on the inside while he was hurt and turned the table around. Great job to seize the moment for a dude who was picked to lose.
     
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  12. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You couldn't tell that Ruiz was eminently more skilled than the guy facing him? That clueless that you had to make this thread? :risas3:
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Of course I know. Read the OP dumb ass.
     
  14. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So basically you don't know **** about boxing!
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Ruiz had a few advantages with hindsight.

    One is his hand speed. That was the most noticeable advantage from the first bell.

    Another is he was more willing to get hit then Joshua. AJ tried boxing from range but doesn't really have the cardio to make that last and he was having to work very hard for little return. When he did get a return and landed the big shots, he couldn't then go back to range, he was consistently open to be countered. Ruiz saw this and that's why he begun to punch with AJ knowing as long as he didn't get knocked out he'd be able to outland him 3/4 to 1 in each exchange.

    In terms of style the big I wouldn't necessarily say its an advantage but Ruiz was much better inside than AJ, because AJ kept following through after his big punches the range was gone and then Ruiz could do better work.

    I think AJ was a legit world champ. He deserved all the hype he got. Maybe he let it get to his head, maybe he never recovered from that first left hook. Either way Ruiz fought to his strengths well, he took the shots from range, rolled with them well, countered excellently and massively out landed AJ in every exchange up close.

    The best thing about this is in the rematch AJ will again be a massive favourite, so there's pretty easy money to be won there.