So what does Bhop's win mean for Calzaghe?

I've honestly never seen anyone state that Hopkins was shot. Most people have always credited it as a decent win but the fact that he is 43 must always be taken into account. Sure it was probably Joe who made the old man gas (credit to him for having the skills to do that), but it was still an old man gassing. Pavlik simply didn't have the skills to exploit that.

Hopkins is old, and past his best - but simply had the style to capitalise on Pavliks limited style - who had his power neutralised by the change in weight.

 

Yeah at 43 he has years ahead of him.:roll:

 

He is an old man - Hopkins is very OLD (in boxing terms) please accept the fact. Thankyou.

 

He can have some if its offended you in some way.

People are bringing this up because months were spent criticising Calzaghe's win (or at least performance if you don't think he did) over Hopkins. Calzaghe against Hopkins was directly before this remember, with the whole Pavlik/Calzaghe theme running beside it.

 

Yeah he looked ready for collecting his pension last night

 

Of course he is an old man in boxing terms. I am 47, have fought in my teens and twenties and still spar, and to be honest I am absolutely ****ed physically. Hopkins is a physical freak and last nights superb performance against a much younger man proved it (and also gave us oldies some hope :hey )

 

I'm sorry, but that little discrediting game won't hold up. You were one of many that was bleating Calzaghe MUST face a top 10 p4p in his prime.

Now Hopkins has whooped his ass, he's limited, and presumably never deserved to be in the top 10. This is quite right, but you were too shortsighted to recognise what was going on in the first place.

You can't turn around and whine about Hopkins being old now. Hopkins is a marvel, its proven. Calzaghe beat him. It's a great win.

 

Personally I've always credited it as a decent win anyway - so little has changed with me.

I'm certainly not going to start classing joes win over a 43 year old as a win over a prime ATG fighter. Sorry.

 

If you take Hopkins age out of the equasion the win was shockingly bad. Joe looked like nothing more than a rank amateur.

 

No ones saying he's "prime" just that the charge that he was "shot" when Calzaghe beat him has been laid to rest.

 

Go back and watch that fight and tell me HOW Joe won. Bearing in mind he fought a man who has no peers in the history of boxing at 43 but IS PAST his physical peak and you explain Joes "win" further for me and what it means to you.

 

It's quite simple really.

Hopkins proved last night that he is certainly capable of still fighting at world level and is certainly not shot. He just totally dominated an overrated but still very dangerous and prime Kelly Pavlik at 43. The guy is a freak of nature.

But it's only common sense now that Calzaghe's victory in April should go up in stock because he beat a Bernard Hopkins who is still world class even though Joe was 36 and past his prime himself.

Some called it a good win but many didn't as they assumed Hopkins was way past it when it should be clear now that it seemed that way because Calzaghe took Hopkins right out of his comfort zone.

 

That's to Hopkins credit though isn't it? He may have looked sloppy, but it worked for him in the end. He shortened up his punches, call it slapping if you want, but he did have success and hence Hopkins tired.

Pavlik's supposedly great straight punching didn't land anything, didn't close distance, didn't pressure Hopkins at all. And he looks as fresh as a daisy.

Joe got the job done.

 

Jeez, its not hard to understand is it???atsch

 

Err check my posts, I have always stated that I think Calzaghe will beat Pavlik. My point has always been that it was a competitive match that should have be made - and it was more poor from that Joe for not making it - and fighting a totally shot Roy Jones instead! I have never said that Pavlik is that great (he was/is potentialy great). Check my Vcash (I bet against him) - I have also argued that he didn't deserve to be top ten off the back of the Lockett win (I winged because he kicked Hatton out for that win).

Having said that he was rated p4p top ten, he was prime - and Joe missed a real opportunity to add a prime p4p top ten guy to his resume there.