So, what does this do for Vitali's legacy?

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  1. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    I was very, very impressed with Vitali.

    He came back at a very advanced age, and kicked the living **** out of a dangerous opponent with no warmup fight. I mean, Sam Peter doesn't have a ten-second stretch of that fight that he can look at and go, "hey, at least I won that ten seconds."

    I have always thought that Vitali's resume does not do him justice at all, aside from his KO percentage.

    Even before this fight, I believed that H2H, Vitali is an absolute MONSTER, and a tremendous challenge for ANY boxer in the history of the sport to defeat.

    Now, I'm even more convinced. There are SEVERAL top-10 ATGs who would get the absolute **** slapped out of them by Vitali Klitschko. Before anyone jumps at this, consider that out of Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Louis, Frazier etc, NONE of them EVER faced an opponent with the combination of size, strength, skill, discipline and sheer toughness that Vitali brings. There simply hasn't ever been a boxer who brings all these qualities together like Vitali does. Lennox is the closest one, and he's a top-3 ATG.

    I am very glad that this fight turned out as it did, because it raises Vitali significantly in the historical rankings, and brings him closer to the level of acclaim that he should have gotten.

    Thoughts on how much of an effect this performance will have on Vitali's historical legacy?

    :hat
     
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  2. Leeroy

    Leeroy Do it Do it Full Member

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    Same here. I was impressed with Vitali's performance given the fact he was laid off so long. We often here about rust when a boxer fights once a year; Vitali was off four years, and if he had any rust, he sure fooled me. Coming back after four years, and stepping into the ring, to not only win, but dominate against an legit top 5 heavyweight is certainly impressive; not exactly sure where it rates historically, but it has to be up there.

    If anything, I'm sure it cements a place in the HOF for Vitali.
     
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  3. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    I like Vitali, and I think he definately has a place in history. But...

    The impressive performance is mitigated by the opponent. Lets face it, Peter is a terrible fighter. He has some power, but it is wildly overrated. He is undersized by today's standards, he always comes in fat, and he has no discernable boxing talent what-so-ever. He is painfully slow. Perhaps his best asset is his chin.

    And lets remember that little brother already cracked this nut.

    This moves him up a bit, but he had more to do.
     
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  4. True Writer

    True Writer Active Member Full Member

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    I agree - I think Vitali would give any heavyweight real problems due to his size and strength. I think he would beat many of the ATG's.
     
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  5. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    ATG heavyweight
     
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  6. Silverfox

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    Sam Peter is and always was an overrated fighter. He's useless!!!
     
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  7. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Peter is useless against a fighter like Vitali Klitschko!!!!!!!
     
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  8. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It helps, but let's be honest here: Peter's a fraud, and always was. He's a marginally better Danny Williams with much more hype. He lost his first fight against a fat middleweight and was dropped 3 times by McCline.
     
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  9. millertime1367

    millertime1367 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this win shines a brighter light on the klitschko brother's place in history, it also allows them to take it a step farther....all belts held by klitschkos, unification, and the biggest money maker of all; a klitschko v klitschko bout they could retire on
     
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  10. Cachibatches

    Cachibatches Boxing Junkie banned

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    I would say williams is better. He consistanly beats decent comeptetion like Sprott, Skelton, Harrison. Tsyon, Sam and most recetnly constantine Airsch.
     
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  11. soxfan57

    soxfan57 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko has won like 98% of rounds hes fought in.

    Vitali Klitschko has never been behind on points.

    Vitali Klitschko won almost every round before he quit vs byrd.

    Vitali Klitschko won 4/6 rounds vs lennox before the fight was stopped.

    Vitali Klitschko KO'd his opponent in 35/36 wins.

    Vitali Klitschko lost 2x in fights he would've/should've won.

    Kirk Johnson's only LEGIT loss was to vitali where he got KO'd in 2 rounds.

    Corrie Sanders won 90+% of his fights and KO'd wladimir in 2. Vitali KO'd corrie in 8.

    Vitali Klitschko handed Sam Peter his first KO loss.

    VItali Klitschko handed Larry Donald his only KO loss.

    Vitali Klitschko handed Vaughn Bean his only KO loss.

    Vitali Klitschko won 12/12 rounds vs undefeated Timo Hoffmann.




    He might not have fought the best fighters (not his fault)...But he beat EVERYONE he fought impressively. That counts for a lot in my book.
     
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  12. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You may be right, man. I'm just trying to be kind to Sam. Well, sort of. There's the avatar and all.

    :good
     
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  13. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great post. Thanks.

    :thumbsup:good:thumbsup
     
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  14. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Yes, I was thinking about typing up a list like this, but you pretty much hit all of them.

    This is what interests me about Vitali's place in history.

    If you look at other ATG's records, specifically their second-tier opponents, you find that none of them, none of them, shut out every single one of their opponents.

    Okay, he lost to Lennox. But that was a strange thing. Lewis was old and not in great shape, but he fought tough, and a 37 year old undertrained Lennox Lewis still kicks the living **** out of pretty much anyone. And Vitali was up 4-2 at the stoppage, despite having fought 4 rounds with blood running into one and then both eyes from a bad cut. Lewis landed plenty of hard shots on Vitali, enough to stop most anyone, but Vitali was never really in danger of being knocked off his feet, though he was shaken a couple of times.

    The cut and stoppage were both perfectly legit, but the loss can't really be counted against Vitali as a normal loss would be. And that was the only fight, the only fight, that Vitali ever had as a pro that he didn't dominate. He only led on all the cards, he wasn't pitching his usual shutout.

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  15. r_9-Ronaldo

    r_9-Ronaldo Shinny Shadez Full Member

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    people are taking the vitali thing too far, yes he done something unprecedented and should catapult him to legendary status but just because he was capable of coming back and beating samuel peters, doesnt mean he can beat the likes of riddick bowe, muhamed ali, mike tyson, joe louis(who he himself said is the greatest heavyweight of all time). greatest of this millenuim no doubt but to compare him with some of the guys i mentioned is a disgrace to them because they would take wlad to school
     
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