So, What Greats Would Crush The Most...

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Other ATG's, whether it's due to a mostly dominant style, raw power, what?

    I think Tyson would be chopped down by some ATG's, but would crush just as many as well do to a combination of accuracy, fast starting and power.

    Eh?
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis is one of the very best ATG heavies in my opinion. Top five in that department.
     
  3. Loewe

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    Duran would beat every single lightweight atg and a few ww atgs.
    Walker and Robinson at ww and mw.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    As is being discussed in another thread right now. I think Hearn's is a top 3 monster at WW and most likely JMW as well.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    u kidding? Lennox was not dominant against top opposition at ALL. his top opposition he faced, he struggled tremendously..........old holyfield(very close 2nd fight, unable to floor in 24 rounds), 36 year old mercer dead even fight, vitali klitschko and frank bruno behind on cards, oliver mccall one punch knockout loss, rahman one punch knockout loss. lennox never had a ATG career defining dominating performance over a very good fighter, with a close possiblity being ruddock fight where he looked amazing. lennox has a very good resume, but he was far from dominating and usually had very boring "mega fights"(like tua fight)

    Perfect examples are mike tyson and sonny liston.


    Folley
    Machen
    patterson
    williams
    Dejohn

    all the top contenders liston faced in his prime he dominated beating them cleanly and uncontroversially



    tubbs
    thomas
    berbick
    holmes
    spinx
    ruddock
    williams
    bruno

    all top contenders tyson faced during his title reign he dominated them. cleanly and uncontroversially.




    liston and tyson would dominate other ATGs.
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    As if it matters that he was behind on the cards against Bruno at around the half way point of their fight?

    He changed the tide of the entire fight with a single punch. And won.

    And he was down against Vitali in Lennox's final fight when he came in fat and unprepared?

    He nearly tore Vitali's face off.

    And again, he won.
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Yes he won, he has a great resume, BUT he was not dominant. he did not crush opponents the way tyson and liston did.
     
  8. ChrisPontius

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    Razor Ruddock...... crushed.


    Andrew Golota...... crushed, after dominating the same Bowe that stopped Holyfield twice


    Michael Grant, crushed in 2, after being seen as the next big thing


    Mike Tyson, crushed, he was past his best but still scoring a lot of knockouts


    Tommy Morrison, knocked down 4 times and beaten so easily he quit mentally.


    David Tua, hard punching rising star, won every single one of the 12 rounds. Call it boring, i call it an easy, dominant win over the number one contender.


    Evander Holyfield, just beat Tyson twice and avenged his loss to Moorer. Lost a pretty dominant fight, but was given a Don King draw. In the second fight he did better, but it was still a clear win.




    As for Lewis getting knocked out, that's true.

    However, between 1994 and 2001 he was undefeated. That's 8 years of top opposition. A lot more than Tyson's 4 years from 1987-1990. Or Liston's 1958-1962.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    o i forgot louis would crush most ATGS, i dont think anyone in history beats a peak joe louis.
     
  10. Russell

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    What's impressive that people seemingly want to ignore is that Lennox could play safety first and absolutely dominate.

    Evander and Tua are perfect examples of that over the course of 12 rounds.
     
  11. Bokaj

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    Well, he looked pretty damn good against Golota, Ruddock, Botha and Tyson. And they were all credible opponents (Tyson was seen as a very dangerous fighter still and had some good pretty recent victories).
     
  12. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lennox's corner was quite aware of the fact that Lennox was more or less ****ing around against Tyson and wasting time.

    That fight could of been over earlier if Lennox felt the urgency to do so.
     
  13. Loewe

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    Tyson is 2-3 against fellow atgs, Liston 2-2, Lewis 3-0. That´s more of an indication how they would do against them than fights against lesser fighters.
     
  14. Sweet Pea

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    Not really, when you take into account where Tyson was at in his career in those losses and who Liston(who was also starting to slip) faced.

    Lewis by comparison beat a shot Tyson and a faded Holyfield twice for his "ATG" wins.

    I prefer to base it strictly on prime career when discussing this type of thing.
     
  15. janitor

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    Joe Louis could produce some prety convincing demolitions of certain all time greats. Baer and Schmeling basicaly were all time greats when they were crushed.

    Jem Driscoll dominated Abe Atell in a way that no great should never dominate another.

    Roy Jones (not a huge fan) dominated James Toney and would do the same to others.