So what have we learned

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Westy78, Jun 1, 2014.


  1. Trumpy

    Trumpy Active Member Full Member

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    Rubbish , George got set up for it ,, Credit where its due Froch forced him back , and got his own distance to perfection , he dipped the shoulde to feint , threw the hook has a distraction and range finder and BOOM , caught him with a peach ..

    The fact that George got caught with it is'nt a mistake , it was a perfect move , that has been practiced with the only sort of practice that does any good .,PERFECT PRACTICE . . If you set someone up for a move and it works , its not a mistake on there part , its good work on your part .

    Love Froch or Hate him , does'nt matter but you do have to give him credit.

    The only mistake , was George or his trainer , or both had not studied Froch enough to see he does that often and expected it .
     
  2. Big

    Big Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Feints are thrown to draw mistakes. Of course he was set up for it yes. Fact is George could have covered up but he fell for the feint and made the mistake of trying to throw a left hook. I dont know why I'm arguing this with you anyway. I'm not trying to take away credit from Carl, but to say there was no mistake made by George is ignoring reality.
     
  3. Big

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    George even admitted after he made a silly mistake and got caught. After the fight David Haye explained why GG got knocked out... because he tried to throw a left hook at the same time as Carl threw his right hand a school boy error. Carl obviously has a lot more experience than George and timed the shot perfectly, boom good night.
     
  4. rski

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    I think the basic thing learned here is that a young up and comer with talent was beaten by a seasoned great fighter. Groves had a lot of tools to give Froch problems but it wasn't quite enough. I think the lack of experience hurt George as well as the fact that Carl might just be too tough on any night for him. Maybe with more experience George could have contained him, he had the skills to do this, it will take time to know if this will develop into more.

    I think in no way shape or form is Groves finished, talk of that is ridiculous. I think he is the type of character that can come back and do very well. I think Froch is great, there no doubt about it really.

    It was odd in a way how well it worked out for Carl, sometimes the boxing gods seem to smile on a fighter, it couldn't have been more perfect, like Rahman landing on Don King's crown after Lennox Lewis's massive revenge right hand, like Ali taking out Foreman and many others. Its almost destined that if you are a great fighter, you will have nights like that.

    Both these guys deserve credit, hating on one or the other after this event is pathetic to be honest, people should have some respect for what these fighters had to go trough and the pressure they were under.
     
  5. Big

    Big Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal Truth
     
  6. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :good
     
  7. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Froch threw that right hand with full intentions. Set it up perfectly and watched every inch of the punch right to the point of impact. His reaction on it landing said it all......he knew full well that GG was iced!!!!....Still gobsmacked that Froch still gets written off or disrespected given his achievements with less than stellar boxing skills.

    That right hand with have, at the very least knocked down any SMW currently operating and i feel that saying GG is chinny on the back end of that knockout is disrespectful in the extreme...lack of durability for the full twelve rounds maybe, but chinny, no way.

    Groves can and will come again, but i feel hes gonna be missing something now without Adam Booth in his corner. The pair of them proved themselves able to hatch the perfect fight plan and i feel thats gone now.
     
  8. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. Froch set the punch up and executed it perfectly but Groves definitely made a mistake. Got caught on the ropes and suckered in by the left hand. There is a reason guys like Ward and Mayweather rarely get caught with shots like that.
     
  9. Billy-Willins

    Billy-Willins R.I.P Sir Bobby Robson Full Member

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    So if a footballer scores against another team, if a chess player checkmates his opponent or if a sprinter wins a race its because the opposition have made mistakes not the Skill set of the winner or goal scorer? That makes a lot of sense. Haha.
    Idiots.
     
  10. Big

    Big Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ok we are idiots. bye :hi:

    Point to the part where I said that the punch landed purely down to GG mistake and not the Carls skills on your way out.
     
  11. Solaris

    Solaris Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That judges are a joke. Two of them had Froch a round up.

    Farcical.
     
  12. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sometimes, yes but nobody is saying that is the case here.

    It's like if a footballer uses a step-over or bit of skill to draw a foul then the attacking player gets credit for the skill but the defender still made a mistake in committing the foul. It's really not that hard to understand.
     
  13. Kahuna

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    He wasn't coming off best at all. The main reason his left was so low was because he was protecting the body due to Carl landing heavy blow after heavy blow there.

    He was pinned up against the ropes several times and was starting to gas. Even if that punch hadn't landed so sweetly another one was going to in the remaining 13 points. Froch is simply on a different level.

    Groves has now had 3 top level fights and lost them all, his lack of self awareness is remarkable. And can people stop going on about his youth!! He's 26 ffs.
     
  14. Kahuna

    Kahuna Active Member Full Member

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    I think he was two rounds up but having him only one round up is hardly farcical. Georgie made some of the rounds quite close.
     
  15. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Many people thought Groves was winning the fight. I thought it was a very close fight and even Carl Froch agreed.

    26 is young in boxing terms, many boxer have only been a pro for a year or 2 at that age. Who was Froch fighting when he was 26?