So who is Fury going to fight?

This is kind of a garbled mess. Is there any particular reason you've stopped quoting my posts?

And why are you talking about Vitali's brother again? Even in this thread, i've told you, don't worry about him fighting his brother - i must have said this to you literally twenty times. Best available. Try to understand before one of us dies. His brother is not available. Yes, we agree, for the twentieth time. I will not answer this question agian.

I'm not about to start counting contenders. I know you're probably lying about Vitali's contenders though, that's another recurring theme, where you "forget" that so and so wasn't ranked, or wasn't ranked at five, or whatever it might be. I concede that Fury has fought fewer ranked contenders. He's also still fighting

Regardless, Vitali only once met the best available contender to fight in his whole career. Already behind Fury and likely to fall further behind.

In summary you are:

- Clearing admitted steroids cheat Vitali Klitschk of wrong doing
- Condemning steorids cheat Tyson Fury
- Excusing VItali Klitschko for his utterly pitiful record at meeting the best available - BEST AVAILABLE NOT HIS BROTHER -
- Condemning Tyson Fury for failing to meet the best - although he's met the best more often than Vitali already and may box another ten years

Ok, you seem the right man to be passing judgement on these two

 

No, i'm not being disingenuous, first of all i'm genuinely interested in the answer - I really want to know. I'll look up Holyfield later, because I think he might be it. Secondly, I'm just not interested in people disagreeing about who was better than who any more on the internet forums. You can find someone to tell you X was better than Y regardless - there are always those people, and none of them, to my knowledge, make their living predicting boxing.

I'm satisfied that Wilder, followed by a weak opponent, followed by Joshua or Wilder, is a superb line up for a divisional number one and absolutely nothing you can say will convince me of the contrary.

 

And you really think that fighting Wilder, then Kabayel, then Anthony Joshua, you really think that's unacceptable?

How do you feel about, say, Wanheng Menayothin, or Rey Varags? Do you just think of them as total jokes, guys that shouldn't be allowed to box professionally?

 

First of all, I use TBRB, but without looking, i think the answer is 3 for Ring and 4 for TBRB.

I agree.

Points you will not address: Vitali is an admitted cheat. Do you agree?

I've told you ten or twelve times already. Dont' count Wlad. The best available excepting Wlad. I don't know why you can't understand this? Why can't you understand this?

Listen: exclude his brother. Excluding his brother, total times Vitali met the best in the world: 1.

That's pathetic.

Do you agree?

 

OK, so we agree, Vitali is a cheat, good.

Now the difference is, Vitali admits misuse of drugs and cheating, Fury disputes the claim, so much that he took it to arbitration. Having recovered his mental health and still disputing the charge, he wanted to fight. Continuing to dispute the charge would make fighting impossible in his home country and difficult (but not impossible elsewhere). He was offered the following deal: accept the charge and receive backdated punishment that would not affect his career going forwards. Fury says he broke no rules but in order to continue with his career he accepted the backdated punishment. He was literally a man sentenced to time served.

Now...bottom line? I think Fury probably cheated. That's on balance. But I know Vitali Klitschko is a cheat. I know that.

What interests me is the way you try to denegrate one of them as a drugs cheat and give the other a total pass. Both claim they took the drug inadvertently, but you label one a cheat and give the other a pass. It's bias, and it's nonsense.

Yeah, well if, one day, you're brave enough to look at who he fought excepting his brother you'll find

1 guy.

That's pathetic.

Don't know, not looking, don't care. Fury hasn't met many ranked contenders as i've said i think three times now. Let's pretend he's met none if it makes you happy.

What I do know is that he's done well meeting the best in the world, much better than many much more experienced fighters. Those are the legacy fights. Beating the best in the world excepting yourself is the best thing you can do as a fighter. The second best thing is beating the second best fighter in the world excepting yourself. Fury's up to that, he's done ok.