So who is Fury going to fight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Mendoza, Oct 25, 2020.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: but that's not what I asked you. I asked you if you accept that Vitali Klitschko is a cheat. OK, try this:

    Do you agree that Vitali Klitschko is a cheat at sport? Not professional boxing - a sports cheat?

    What on earth are you talking about now?? I haven't written any "articles" about Vitali Klitschko cheating?

    Mendoza, you're an idiot, and everyone who interacts with you pretty much thinks you're an idiot. What you've written above - it doesn't even make sense? "I'm too well researched for 1 up me" is not a sentence...it's like something a child would write, or someone with learning difficulties.
     
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  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Not your an idiot and suddenly turning into a ducker. How many ranked opponents did Fury fight again?

    I gave you the answer many times. As a pro which is all that matter to Vitlai he always tested clean. As an amateur he took something prescribed by a doctor to heal and injury that has one of the hundreds of banned substances for the Olympics. Rules are rules.

    What am I talking about? In the past you have written articles about top fighters. When I pointed out that Joe Louis only fight 2 black men in his 26 title defenses you get sensitive. Then in your article you say Ray ( who was black ) the #1 ranked contender deserved a shot! So yes--Louis did avoid African American contenders. You agree with me. Furthermore Bivins ( Who was also black ) was #1 ranked, and Louis as champion didn't fight him either but did fight two others in the same year.

    Then you whine and get very angry. Dude you said it. I could care less if someone doesn't like my facts if I point out something against their favorite fighter. I must have done that here. They can hate all they wish. Many do respect my opinion here and like my posts, but if they are upset with facts and get angry, well screw them. Your losing quite a bit of stock McGrain, and like I said I've got you. There is lots of gems out there to use if I choose.

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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    2-3 by Ring, 3-4 by TBRB. Looking into it would require me to perform research, which i'm just not going to do at your behest. You've said two by ring I think? For the second time, I will agree with you that it is 2. You win. It's 2. OK?

    Yeah, you still haven't answered the question as whether or not he's a steroids cheat in sports :lol: it's like you can't actually bring yourself to say it, I find it fascinating. From now on, I will just refer to him as "confirmed steroids cheat Vitali Klitschko."

    Yeah, this is total fantasy Mendoza. I don't get sensitive. I've told you before but you I don't care how many fights he has had against black men in title defences. It doesn't interest me, even a little bit. Not at all, entirely disinterested.

    I didn't say this. I'd pay you the compliment of naming you a liar but I really think you just get confused. What I said was that it was "reasonable to ask" why Ray didn't receive a title shot. And it is - which is what i've said from the beginning.

    Why on earth are you talking about Joe Louis in your own thread about Tyson Fury?? :lol:

    Unfortunately for you, the opposite is true. The likes I receive for posts I make pillorying you are the easiest likes on the forum - I mean that, i'm always getting likes for posts that blade you. Now, I couldn't really care less about the whole "like" thing, but people generally seem to really enjoy me knocking you about.

    It will never be the end Mendoza. It will never be the end because you're an adult male who posts in a wildly biased fashion about both the fighters you like and the fighters you don't like. You literally can't help it.
     
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    McGrain, post: 20713294, member: 16412"]2-3 by Ring, 3-4 by TBRB. Looking into it would require me to perform research, which i'm just not going to do at your behest. You've said two by ring I think? For the second time, I will agree with you that it is 2. You win. It's 2. OK?

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    Yeah, you still haven't answered the question as whether or not he's a steroids cheat in sports :lol: it's like you can't actually bring yourself to say it, I find it fascinating. From now on, I will just refer to him as "confirmed steroids cheat Vitali Klitschko."

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    Yeah, this is total fantasy Mendoza. I don't get sensitive. I've told you before but you I don't care how many fights he has had against black men in title defences. It doesn't interest me, even a little bit. Not at all, entirely disinterested.

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    I didn't say this. I'd pay you the compliment of naming you a liar but I really think you just get confused. What I said was that it was "reasonable to ask" why Ray didn't receive a title shot. And it is - which is what i've said from the beginning.

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    Why on earth are you talking about Joe Louis in your own thread about Tyson Fury?? :lol:

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    Unfortunately for you, the opposite is true. The likes I receive for posts I make pillorying you are the easiest likes on the forum - I mean that, i'm always getting likes for posts that blade you. Now, I couldn't really care less about the whole "like" thing, but people generally seem to really enjoy me knocking you about.
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    It will never be the end Mendoza. It will never be the end because you're an adult male who posts in a wildly biased fashion about both the fighters you like and the fighters you don't like. You literally can't help it.

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  5. McGrain

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    And this is the problem. You will move heaven and earth to protect your favourites. The story of Vitali and Fury are basically no different, except Fury - according to him - inadvertently took in drugs from food while he was a pro. Vitali "made a mistake" with medication as an amateur. For some reason you want to pretend that, morally, these two are different. You also want to accept Vital's excuse but not Fury's. It's the worst type of bias.

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    I'll say it to you again but I have little hope that it will go in.

    The article says it's fair to ask why Ray didn't receive a title shot. I am saying here it is fair to ask why Ray didn't receive a title shot. I've always said it is fair to ask why Ray didn't receive a title shot. I've been entirely consistent and you've shown, literally, nothing.

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  6. The Long Count

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    i think it’s possible Fury May packing glass, but honestly he did fight Wlad a monstrous puncher and Wilder - and he fought Wilder as the aggressor in the second bout so you have to tip your hat to Fury. If he fights a Ruiz or Hunter and then gets the Joshua bout his resume would dramatically improve.
     
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  7. Heavy_Hitter

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    Fury's resume is terrible and he is getting old, but the division is very weak and he is content with 1 decent fight in 5 years. He'll probably fight the easiest opponent he can find.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    Fury is a liar, and a bigot. No-- I don't take his word. The difference is Fury took it by his own choice, Vitali was trusting a doctor.

    Your inability to separate pro boxing from amateur boxing in a lame attempt to make a point is your issue. This is pro boxing forum. VItlau won all his pro fights cleanly, Fury did not.

    If you don't think you can be sensitive, that could be the funniest thing you ever said here.:bump

    Right. Elmer Ray a #1 contender which make a big deal of when its convenient for you, deserved a title shot. Louis never gave it. Bivins was #1 rated. He didn't get a title shot either.

    My point is Louis didn't make matches with African American contenders at the rate he should have. Just 2 of 26 titles shot for African Americans? Yep. One of whom could not see ( John Henry Lewis ). Louis gave the shot as a payday to a friend. The other according to news media cards at ringside say Walcott was the winner. 66% thought so. The surviving video also indicates this. The audio of the decision shows the crowds reaction. Louis himself looks like he lost. Walcott over Louis in the first fight. This seems to drive you nuts when I bring that up to the point of being sensitive about it.

    I'll laugh next when Fury's title opponent is announced.

    Cheers.

    PS: Don't be fooled, your not much of a like guy here. You are a mod. Some might be a little aphrenrsive about caling you out. Im not. For example you nearly have double the post count of me, yet I have more likes, as in people like the point I made.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, Fury's story is he imbibed it by meat, Vitali's story is he imbibed it by way of his doctor. Your decision about who is lying and who is telling the truth is based entirely upon your personal bias.

    But it doesn't matter - because if Vitali cheated as a pro you would accept his story and if Fury had cheated as an amateur you would not accept his. The issue is not who cheated and who didn't, it's your near total bias; it is your complete inability to see beyond the end of your own biased thinking.

    Of course you believe Vitali's story. Seeing it any other way is impossible for you. Of course you don't believe Fury. You are bound by your inherent biases, like a child, or learning disabled.

    It's not a matter of convenience. Your answers are non-sequential. It's reasonable to ask why Ray did not receive a title shot. This is my position, has been my position, and is consistently my position, not just for Joe Louis (who met more number one contenders than any heavyweight in history outside Ali) but for every fighter.

    This was explained to you, in detail, last week. Your inability to retain information is incredible.

    Here is is again: Joe Louis fought a single exhibition between March 1943 and September of 1946. He was inactive for the period that Bivins was rated duration champion; Bivins was beaten twice the year of Joe's next defence. Surely, even you can understand why Joe Louis wasn't fighting top contenders during World War 2? Surely even you can absorb this information.

    Now, going forwards, I will ignore your mention of Bivins, who was not the number one contender during any Joe Louis defence unless you count the enforced exhibition.

    Yeah, your point is understood. What i'm saying is it doesn't matter even a little bit.

    Yeah, you will. You actually will laugh when the reigning heavyweight champion of the world announces his weak opponent between fights with the number one contender. You will laugh at that, like some sort of moose idiot. Meanwhile, you will continue defending Vitali runs like Ross Purity, Vaughn Bean, Larry Donald with a straight face. It's incredible, really.

    :lol: you are literally as bad as McVey.
     
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  10. bandeedo

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    not a fan of fury. but he did go up in my estimation of him in the second fight. he showed me he had the heart, focus, and belief in his and his teams ability to execute a very dangerous gameplan to near perfection. it was the opposite of what i expected from him as far as fighting style. i also saw courage i hadnt previously given him credit for.
     
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  11. The Long Count

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    Louis bested Ray 3x out of 3 tries in exhibition bouts over Elmer, where Ray had everything to gain and Louis everything to lose. I doubt Ray even lasts the distance with Joe in a sanctioned match. Bivins did get his chance against old Joe and lost easy - yes he was diminished but so was Joe. Louis was a beast and clearly the 1 or 2 heavy of all time
     
  12. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fury doesn't have a rock solid chin, we've seen him caught clean and go down. But **** me are his powers of recovery almost unparalleled. He bounces back from knockdowns like Calzaghe did, with fire in his belly and a beating in return.
     
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  13. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I saw the courage in him in that first Wilder fight, I saw him coming back from everything that affected him so badly and giving it the big **** you. That knockdown and subsequent rise was only a microcosm of what Fury went through internally. He may have a spotty resume but he has heart and courage in bucketloads.
    As someone who also uses boxing to battle my depression, I really empathise with Fury, I could see he was down after the Wlad win, even in parts beforehand. He's quite melancholy and apathetic when he's depressed, I'm surprised so few picked up on it initially. So to see someone with as sharp a fall as him come back from that is inspiring.
     
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  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i felt the courage in the first fight could have been instinctual, a flight or fight response on the spot. the second fight was thought out, sought out and brought out. that took more courage in my estimation.
     
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  15. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not going to say he wasn't more courageous with such a bold gameplan in the second fight but that first fight showed me a lot about the spirit of Fury. I think his self belief and determination to execute based on that belief is incredible. It's special in fact, we are witnessing a special human at work. I like AJ, rate him highly, but even if he beats Fury I wouldn't consider him as special a character as him. There is something so wonderfully unique about how Tyson goes about his work. It's both perplexing yet makes sense at the same time.
     
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