So who is greater in ATG Ranking? Pacquiao Vs Hoya?

Back to the point of this thread. ODLH is greater than Pac.

 

Let's hear yours.

Lets do a side by side comparison to Oscar De La Hoya, who I don't even have in the top 30, let alone top 20 or 25.

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You really fail to realize that Whitaker is leagues above Morales and Quartey is leagues above Larios, especially the Morales Pac fought, infact, Pac lost to a past prime, shot Morales, that has to be taken into consideration.

Also Larios was way past his best and Quartey was in his prime. That is a fact.

A Prime Oscar towers over Morales and Larios, especially the one that Pac fought and lost too.

It's an undenialble fact that Morales lost to a past prime Barrera, and journey man Zahir Raheem before Pac was able to beat him.

Yeah, I'll look. I'll also look at where Mosley ranks right now, and how he looks compared to the ODLH that Pac beat. As for Hatton-Vargas, Vargas is leagues above Hatton, Vargas was naturally bigger than ODLH, and on steroids! Vargas' skills are leagues above Hatton's. Hatton makes Vargas look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

If you'd understand boxing, you wouldn't fail to realize why Vargas and Mosley in 2003 were harder fights that 2008 ODLH and 2009 Hatton.

That's how I know you're ignorant to boxing. Oscar moved up to fight Whitaker (P4P#2), Castillejo (WBC champ), Vargas was bigger, Trinidad was bigger, Mosley on roids was bigger, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was bigger, Ruelas was actually bigger, and Hopkins and Sturm were far beyond just bigger. Oscar took on the best all the time, that is something Pac CANNOT say (ALL THE TIME).

You truly never saw Oscar in his prime did you? A Prime Oscar was faster, his handspeed was compared to the Sugars, and his POP was devastating.

Hell, their KO % is about the same, the main difference being that ODLH fought much better opposition that Pac.

IM WAITING

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Lets do this!

The Barrera that Pac fought had been pro 14 years had 3 losses, two in which he was brutally f-ed up and one where he took a sever beating while dishing one out, and 57-3-0.
That's three beatings.

Pernell was 12.5 years pro and should have been 40-0-0, p4p #2.
Chavez was 12.5 years pro, was 96-1-1 Should have been 96-2. But had never had a beating like Barrera.

ODLH moved up from 140 to fight the Whitaker at 147.
ODLH had one fight at 140 before fighting Chavez at 140 who already had a whoppong 8 fights under his belt at Jr. WW.

Pacquaio has fought Diaz, ODLH, Hatton after MAB and EM.

ODLH fought Vargas, Mayorga, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Gatti, Castillejo and Quartey after JCC and Pea.

I don't see your argument anymore.

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In part I'm glad you realize and admit Morales was shot. Secondly, Whitaker was NOT coming off a humiliating loss a la Morales. Infact Whitaker should have been undefeated coming into the fight with DLH and had had some impressive wins vs great opposition in his previous fights. Unfortunately Whitaker didn't deal well with the loss, got on the junk and ruined the rest of his career with drugs.

Let me school you on something. Shotness is not necessarily and always attributed to age. Size is not always attributed to height. You know Whiatker had beat JCV years before he lost to DLH, JCV the man that decked Winky Wright 5 times.

ODLH moved up to 147, a weight he was unfamiliar with to fight the reigning champ.

:rofl:rofl:rofl No you just didn't say that! First Quartey was in the PRIME of his LIFE, Larios was PAST his prime, Quartey was undefeated, and had one of the best jabs of his era. Larios was a good B level fighter in his prime.

Quartey had an iffy fight where he should have won easy, but because of Kds he ended up getting a questionable draw. His previous win was a little over a year and a half. A

Shane was on steroids was was clearly the stronger man that night. Oscar was clearly the smarter man.

You still didn't prove why EM was a better win than Whitaker, Mab a better win than JCC, Hatton a better win than Vargas.

So DLH has a few losses at the twighlight of his career, Pac has some in the beggining. It is very common for great fighters to rack up a few loses towards the end.

All you did was TRY to dissect ODLH resume, very uneffectively, but never even mentioned Pac's. You can dissect ODLH's resume all you want, but it's still better than Pac's.

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WTF??! Do you even follow boxing? Sure DLH had youth on his side, but how many times have we seen skill beat Speed?? HUNDREDS.

Morales had been fighting pro for 13 years when Pac finally beat him, had been in a several grueling wars and was obviously at the end of his career. Past his BEST, and arguably SHOT. Morales was not even a titlist, he wasn't even P4P, hell, out of Morales' last 6 fights he only won one, his hast hurrah vs Pac. GREAT indicator of shotness.

JCC had been pro for 12.5 years when DLH beat him, had one loss and a nice winning streak since, was the WBC champion and considred P4P. He still continued winning after with the exception of the DLH rematch.

You're F-ing insane if you think Morales was a better win.

How much does it matter??? Better question is how many ass kickings, or how many brutal wars that take something out of you was JCC in compared to MAB?? MAB was always and will always be inferior ro JCC.

And ON TOP of that, MAB and EM do not even come close to JCC's skill level. Mab and EM are probably the best MX of the early 2000's, but nowhere near JCC on the ATG...As you familiarize yourself more with boxing you'll understand it more.

 

uliuli, did you light your prayer candles at the ODLH statue this week like you have since he's been retired by pac?

 

you can't be greater than someone that you didn't beat. Nuff said.

 

Sure you can. Roy Jones is easily greater than Joe Cal. Just because one fighter in his prime beat another when they were shot doesn't tell nearly the whole story.

 

Uli is pretty damned proud of that post. :rofl

But, he happens to be correct this time.

 

thats my 2nd one in this thread, but its still going

some people will argue that the sky is red, and there's always a couple of fools who'll buy it.

 

We all know the topic of this thread is pure opinion, not fact. Some people will have Pac ahead, some will have De La Hoya ahead on their ATG list. I respect everyone's opinions. The only thing that is fact, as this poll shows, which the boxing industry agrees, is that more people agree that Pac is higher on the list. It's not even close. I assure you when The Ring magazine publishes an updated ATG list, Pac WILL be ahead of De La Hoya. And remember, De La Hoya OWNS The Ring, and last time I checked, no Filipinos work for that company.

 

Its not even up for debate. The debate today is about where Pac ranks among fighters like Chavez, Whitaker, Roy Jones, Marvin Hagler, Alexis Arguello, etc... Not Oscar de la Hoya. That one is obvious.

 

deal

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Sure, they are opinions, but either ODLH IS higher ATG, or you *******s aren't smart enough to debate with me, because SO FAR, none of you have been able to properly breakdown my post without contridicting yourselves by using DOUBLE STANDARDS for Pacquiao. :yep

OH, because we ALL KNOW that those who voted for Pac are ALL boxing gurus and historians :roll:... NOT....Half of those if not more are unknown 1 post having, internet cafe using, little Pactoys from the pilipins. The other half, based on their rep at ESB are new boxing fans who hardly know anything about boxing pre 2008.

Tell me this, why hasn't anyone been able to effectively justify having Pac over DLH??? :yep

How do you know all this?? :roll: What makes you think Pac will be ahead of DLH in the ATG list, hell Pac isn't even retired yet. atsch

You're biggest claim to Pac being ranked higher than DLH is that Oscar lost some big fights, yet EVEN with those losses (most of which came when he was past his prime vs the P4P kings) I have PROVED DLH has had a better career than Pac.

Pac beat Barrera and Morales who were CLEARLY more battle worn than JCC and Pea, coupled with having been fighting pro LONGER than JCC and Pea.

Those were Pac's two top wins, yet Oscar has more quality wins vs the GREATER comp, and those weren't even DLH's greatest wins!

:good

 

Yet another post that proves that many, if not MOST *******s are ignorant when it comes to the simplest things of boxing.

Got Torrecampo? atsch :roll:

So by your accord Torrecampo is GREATER than Pac? atsch :rofl:rofl:rofl