So who is greater in ATG Ranking? Pacquiao Vs Hoya?

atsch it's clear that you just hate pac... and I can prove that....

1. When ever pac is going to a fight you always said he will loose... and after the fight you make excuses and even call pac's victory is nothing because of weight issue blah blah blah...

2. When pac has no upcoming fight or the fight is not close yet you make some threads like this to show everyone pac is not great as what other people see it....

Why don't you just make an appreciation thread about your boy and stop discrediting pac's victory.....

and about insulting ESB member........ you started it and even calling pac fans tards and clown.. I never insulted no one other than the top 5 p4p pac hater

 

haha Good one! :goodExacta!

 

Did you just call me a *******? Where in this discussion did I insult anyone's opinion on anything? I was one of 2 people to respond to your post using boxing knowledge and not ******ation like *******s do. In case you missed my message, it was about RESPECT. As far as I'm concerned your last reply shows absolute DISRESPECT.

I tried to share a few Philippine boxing trivia with you, no intention of showing you up, just sharing info, and you respond with SARCASM and claim I'm pulling the race/nationality card. You criticize *******s (they should be criticized) but you sink to their level as well. At least their bias is based on admiration while your bias is based on hate, as you clearly show with your last post. Thanks for showing everyone here who you really are.

 

don't expect people to respect us here.

once we defend pac, you will be labeled a *******.

heck. ******* is a badge of honor, don't fret it my friends.

once you own their asses here, they resort to namecalling. you are *******s.
you know nothing. "lol".

yeah, right. who is laughing now. all the way the bank. pacman.
all the way to the betting stations. *******s.

who has the last laugh.

 

Did that and he got pissed. :yep UliUli is such a sad sad old man. Using reason against him, he stupid.

 

I schooled every single ******* in here, and you morons act like nothing happened!!! :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Not even close. Pacquiao has a far superior resume. Oscar is a Hall of Famer, and an excellent fighter. Pacquiao is all time great, top 25 all time fighter.

 

Oscar De La Hoya fought the best, Manny beat the best. That's the difference.

 

Manny Pacquiao is top 40, not top 25. :verysad

 

you schooled every ******* here?

like pac schooled dlh for 9 rounds? :rofl

 

REALLY!!!!

Let's hear yours.

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You really fail to realize that Whitaker is leagues above Morales and Quartey is leagues above Larios, especially the Morales Pac fought, infact, Pac lost to a past prime, shot Morales, that has to be taken into consideration.

Also Larios was way past his best and Quartey was in his prime. That is a fact.

A Prime Oscar towers over Morales and Larios, especially the one that Pac fought and lost too.

It's an undenialble fact that Morales lost to a past prime Barrera, and journey man Zahir Raheem before Pac was able to beat him.

Yeah, I'll look. I'll also look at where Mosley ranks right now, and how he looks compared to the ODLH that Pac beat. As for Hatton-Vargas, Vargas is leagues above Hatton, Vargas was naturally bigger than ODLH, and on steroids! Vargas' skills are leagues above Hatton's. Hatton makes Vargas look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

If you'd understand boxing, you wouldn't fail to realize why Vargas and Mosley in 2003 were harder fights that 2008 ODLH and 2009 Hatton.

That's how I know you're ignorant to boxing. Oscar moved up to fight Whitaker (P4P#2), Castillejo (WBC champ), Vargas was bigger, Trinidad was bigger, Mosley on roids was bigger, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was bigger, Ruelas was actually bigger, and Hopkins and Sturm were far beyond just bigger. Oscar took on the best all the time, that is something Pac CANNOT say (ALL THE TIME).

You truly never saw Oscar in his prime did you? A Prime Oscar was faster, his handspeed was compared to the Sugars, and his POP was devastating.

Hell, their KO % is about the same, the main difference being that ODLH fought much better opposition that Pac.

IM WAITING

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Lets do this!

The Barrera that Pac fought had been pro 14 years had 3 losses, two in which he was brutally f-ed up and one where he took a sever beating while dishing one out, and 57-3-0.
That's three beatings.

Pernell was 12.5 years pro and should have been 40-0-0, p4p #2.
Chavez was 12.5 years pro, was 96-1-1 Should have been 96-2. But had never had a beating like Barrera.

ODLH moved up from 140 to fight the Whitaker at 147.
ODLH had one fight at 140 before fighting Chavez at 140 who already had a whoppong 8 fights under his belt at Jr. WW.

Pacquaio has fought Diaz, ODLH, Hatton after MAB and EM.

ODLH fought Vargas, Mayorga, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Gatti, Castillejo and Quartey after JCC and Pea.

I don't see your argument anymore.

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In part I'm glad you realize and admit Morales was shot. Secondly, Whitaker was NOT coming off a humiliating loss a la Morales. Infact Whitaker should have been undefeated coming into the fight with DLH and had had some impressive wins vs great opposition in his previous fights. Unfortunately Whitaker didn't deal well with the loss, got on the junk and ruined the rest of his career with drugs.

Let me school you on something. Shotness is not necessarily and always attributed to age. Size is not always attributed to height. You know Whiatker had beat JCV years before he lost to DLH, JCV the man that decked Winky Wright 5 times.

ODLH moved up to 147, a weight he was unfamiliar with to fight the reigning champ.

:rofl:rofl:rofl No you just didn't say that! First Quartey was in the PRIME of his LIFE, Larios was PAST his prime, Quartey was undefeated, and had one of the best jabs of his era. Larios was a good B level fighter in his prime.

Quartey had an iffy fight where he should have won easy, but because of Kds he ended up getting a questionable draw. His previous win was a little over a year and a half. A

Shane was on steroids was was clearly the stronger man that night. Oscar was clearly the smarter man.

You still didn't prove why EM was a better win than Whitaker, Mab a better win than JCC, Hatton a better win than Vargas.

So DLH has a few losses at the twighlight of his career, Pac has some in the beggining. It is very common for great fighters to rack up a few loses towards the end.

All you did was TRY to dissect ODLH resume, very uneffectively, but never even mentioned Pac's. You can dissect ODLH's resume all you want, but it's still better than Pac's.

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WTF??! Do you even follow boxing? Sure DLH had youth on his side, but how many times have we seen skill beat Speed?? HUNDREDS.

Morales had been fighting pro for 13 years when Pac finally beat him, had been in a several grueling wars and was obviously at the end of his career. Past his BEST, and arguably SHOT. Morales was not even a titlist, he wasn't even P4P, hell, out of Morales' last 6 fights he only won one, his hast hurrah vs Pac. GREAT indicator of shotness.

JCC had been pro for 12.5 years when DLH beat him, had one loss and a nice winning streak since, was the WBC champion and considred P4P. He still continued winning after with the exception of the DLH rematch.

You're F-ing insane if you think Morales was a better win.

How much does it matter??? Better question is how many ass kickings, or how many brutal wars that take something out of you was JCC in compared to MAB?? MAB was always and will always be inferior ro JCC.

And ON TOP of that, MAB and EM do not even come close to JCC's skill level. Mab and EM are probably the best MX of the early 2000's, but nowhere near JCC on the ATG...As you familiarize yourself more with boxing you'll understand it more.

 

You got it!! :good

 

hmm. how come in your list, you did not include pacs win over jmm yet you included tito trinidad with an asterisk. :rofl

****ing impartial approach. tong

hang yourself you hawaiian princess.

 

Manny did not beat the best.

Oscar de la hoya lost a few fights, most towards the end of his career. Pac lost a few couple in the beggining of his career, one in his prime.

Oscar De La Hoya's competition is leagues above Pac's, even if you exclude the losses on both fighters.

 

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