So who is greater in ATG Ranking? Pacquiao Vs Hoya?

Had Oscar fought a prime pernell and a prime Chavez...

Had he fought fighters before Trinidad broke em...

Yeah... etc, etc...

Try to be impartial.

 

no one has been able to give an argument as to why Pac is greater! just some, DLH lost big fights, yet ignore that three of those big fights were at the end of his career. Others say pac dominated his comp better, yet fail to realize that ODLH's comp is light years above Pac's.

I'll bump my argument again in hopes to get a real debate started.

 

The versions of Whitaker and Chavez fought were still better versions of Morales and Barrera in every way imaginable.

Vargas was still a better fighter than hatton.

Castillejo was a better Title holder than Diaz.

 

Here's my Argument.

Let's hear yours Dr. Harrison

Lets do a side by side comparison to Oscar De La Hoya, who I don't even have in the top 30, let alone top 20 or 25.

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You really fail to realize that Whitaker is leagues above Morales and Quartey is leagues above Larios, especially the Morales Pac fought, infact, Pac lost to a past prime, shot Morales, that has to be taken into consideration.

Also Larios was way past his best and Quartey was in his prime. That is a fact.

A Prime Oscar towers over Morales and Larios, especially the one that Pac fought and lost too.

It's an undenialble fact that Morales lost to a past prime Barrera, and journey man Zahir Raheem before Pac was able to beat him.

Yeah, I'll look. I'll also look at where Mosley ranks right now, and how he looks compared to the ODLH that Pac beat. As for Hatton-Vargas, Vargas is leagues above Hatton, Vargas was naturally bigger than ODLH, and on steroids! Vargas' skills are leagues above Hatton's. Hatton makes Vargas look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

If you'd understand boxing, you wouldn't fail to realize why Vargas and Mosley in 2003 were harder fights that 2008 ODLH and 2009 Hatton.

He did exceptionally well in rounds 9 and 10. Have you even seen the fight??!! It was only Rds 11 and 12 where he got on his bike. Look ar how Pac did vs JMM for most of the rounds in their first fight.

That's how I know you're ignorant to boxing. Oscar moved up to fight Whitaker (P4P#2), Castillejo (WBC champ), Vargas was bigger, Trinidad was bigger, Mosley on roids was bigger, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was bigger, Ruelas was actually bigger, and Hopkins and Sturm were far beyond just bigger. Oscar took on the best all the time, that is something Pac CANNOT say (ALL THE TIME).

You truly never saw Oscar in his prime did you? A Prime Oscar was faster, his handspeed was compared to the Sugars, and his POP was devastating.

Hell, their KO % is about the same, the main difference being that ODLH fought much better opposition that Pac.

THATS MY ARGUMENT.

 

Well if you wanna argue like that, cool. The Barrera Pac beat is fresher than both Pernell and Chavez. Also DLH was bigger than both Pernell and Chavez, FACT.

PAcquiao also has become a better fighter after those fights, De La Hoya didn't really improve.

 

anyone that chose hoya dont know what they are talking about. first pac wins his big fights and most in dominant fashion. 2nd he has gone through more weights. and he is the former flyweight that beat his ass even though he was no longer prime, no way you should he lose to a former flyweight.

pacquiao is greater on every level.

 

yeah and uliulis arguements dont hold much weight because he is a bitter mexican. everyone should know this by now.

 

Let me it break it down...

How are Morales and Whitaker comparable? Have u seen Whitaker's record? It's not that good. He has a few big names on there but he lost most of his big fights. Erik Morales has a win over Pacquiao and one over a prime Barrera. He was also part of one of the greatest trilogies in boxing history. Bad comparison.

When Oscar fought against Chavez, Chavez was well past his prime. He also had a considerable size advantage. Barrera was still in his prime in my opinion when he fought Pacquiao and he had only lost to 2 men. One of those losses was controversial.

Ricky Hatton and Mayorga are probably on the same level, but I still think Hatton is the more skilled of the two.

Oscar has always been better than Vargas. He has better skills and a much better chin. Trinidad ruined Vargas's chin and his career. He was never the same after that loss.

The rest arent really worth mentioning. You conveniently forgot to add Marquez to Pacquiao's resumé. He's definitely one of the most skilled fighters around. Knocking that man down 3 times in the first round is an accomplishment in and of itself.


If Oscar had won more big fights, he might rank higher. Maybe. Most of his fights were very competitive and he surely deserves more wins than are on his record. But that didnt happen. You also have to take into account the manner in which Manny has beat the big names on his resumé. Oscar never really knocked out a good, in his prime fighter over whom he didnt have a considerable advantage.

 

WHAT? DLH moved up in weight to fight Pernell and was the same as Chavez.

 

Lets do this!

The Barrera that Pac fought had been pro 14 years had 3 losses, two in which he was brutally f-ed up and one where he took a sever beating while dishing one out, and 57-3-0.
That's three beatings.

Pernell was 12.5 years pro and should have been 40-0-0, p4p #2.
Chavez was 12.5 years pro, was 96-1-1 Should have been 96-2. But had never had a beating like Barrera.

ODLH moved up from 140 to fight the Whitaker at 147.
ODLH had one fight at 140 before fighting Chavez at 140 who already had a whoppong 8 fights under his belt at Jr. WW.

Pacquaio has fought Diaz, ODLH, Hatton after MAB and EM.

ODLH fought Vargas, Mayorga, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Gatti, Castillejo and Quartey after JCC and Pea.

I don't see your argument anymore.

 

Oscar's frame is one of the weirder ones I know of. How that man at one point boiled down to 130 and won professional fights is a medical miracle. His frame was obviously bigger than Whitaker and Chavez's, but the weights said otherwise.

Skinny legs can be a plus in boxing.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl This guy thiks Morales is better than Whiatker!!!

When Oscar fought Chavez, Chavez had less years as a pro than Barrera, had only two losses, none of which he took a lifechanging beating on.

ODLH had one fight at 140, JCC had already had eight!

Barrera had been pro for 14 years had been in a hellacious fight vs Morales which he lost, and had to devastating losses to Junior Jones.

Mayorga beat the P4P #1 in 2003, something Hatton never did. Vargas was far more accomplished and skilled than Hatton ever dreamt of.

Collazo, Mayweather, and Lazcano all softened Hatton's chin, who is much less skilled and accomplished than vargas.

Oscar seeked the best fighters from every division he was fighting all the time. It's why he has some losses, and most notably once he became a part time fighter at the end of his career.

Pac has three losses, and he isn't even past his prime like DLH was.

 

Two of which were 3rd round KO's.

 

First of all, if you think you "beat me" by saying that you don't see my arguement anymore, that's pretty funny, considering the last time a thread like this came up, I'm not sure on who I chose, but I know I said "it's very close right now". So if you think you "caught" me or something, WRONG.

My post has nothing to do with who is higher ranked than the other, you just choose to scrutinize Pac's resume but don't bother with DLH.

DLH was bigger than both Pea and JCC, don't show me numbers, he was the bigger man :roll:.

Why mention Gatti or Castillejo? Meh. Also you don't even mention JMM, I assume you think Pac lost again :roll:, so I can assume Oscar lost all his close fights, hmm that brings his resume down a lot :think. Again... try to be impartial.

 

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