So who is P4P #1 now then?

Seriously, does Manny have anywhere near the adaptability, footwork, angles, output, movement or stamina of Joe Cazlaghe because the only points I'll put him above Joe Calzaghe on are P4P power & agression; all other P4P variables I'd have to give to Joe. Not to mention the fact Joe is undefeated still.

P4P is all about scaling. Scaling Manny upto 175 his attributes get worse, his speed lessens but scaling scaling Joe down to 135 he only gets faster, has better stamina, punch output etc.

I just can't see how given their records, their performances and their obvious skills through observation how Manny could be considered above Joe guys sorry.


I just want to add I'm just calling this as I see it guys there's no agenda here ok.

 

Manny Pacquiao is the p4p#1, and Juan Manuel Marquez is the p4p#2. Deal with it.

 

p4p is nothing to do with 'scaling' at all. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. FAIL.

 

Err yes it does: pound for pound. The giveaway is in the name Pacfan.

 

You silly silly little man. Give me a minute, and I will educate you.

 

I look forwards to it.

 

Do you mean to tell me that when deciding if Lennox Lewis should be placed higher than Ricardo Lopez p4p, you either imagine a 5ft 4in and 7 stone Lennox Lewis fighting Lopez, or a 6ft 5in and 17 stone Ricardo Lopez fighting Lewis??

I am honestly not being rude mate honestly, but I have no idea where you got this idea from, but it absolutely is NOT what pound-for-pound is, the very idea is psychopathic!!!!

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You can determine who was better between current and past fighters by H2H- if they fought at the same weight. You can decide who was better between Hagler and Monzon by imagining what you think would happen if they fought, because then you aren't changing anything about them, you're just taking both men and putting them in the ring.

But to decide properly pound-for-pound who was better, the way you work this out is by looking at how they performed against the men they fought, how much better they were than the best fighters in their weight division at the time.

Example: In my opinion, Roberto Duran is a better fighter pound-for-pound than Joe Frazier. I think this because Duran showed he was better than the best fighters he fought by a greater margin than Frazier was. Duran at lightweight got the better of everyone he fought, looked far far better than most of the guys he fought, and he fought many great fighters and took on many difficult and dangerous challenges, and did this more regularly and with greater ease than Frazier did.
I do not think this because if I blew up Duran to 16st or shrunk Frazier down to 135lbs, Duran would win a fight between them, because by definition this is impossible.

It's the same as saying I think Laila Ali is better p4p than Roy Jones Jr, because if you imagine Ali as a man, she would win a fight between the two. But she isn't a man! And obviously imagining her as a man (aside from being very very wrong!) would completely change the fighter she is!!
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I refer you to the Wikipedia definition of the term:

Pound-for-pound is the term used in

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and other

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to describe a fighter's value in relation to fighters of different weight classes.
It is often said to have been created to describe world

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champion

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Robinson is one of the most accomplished fighters of all time, but his supporters realized that, while he could beat anyone in his own class, as a Middleweight he would not be able to beat a top

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. Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him.


To put it in my own words as simply as possible:

Pound-for-pound is for deciding who is BETTER between two boxers, not who would WIN.

H2H is for deciding who would WIN between two boxers.

Pound-for-pound can be used to decide between ANY two fighters at any weights, because you are rating them on how good they were at their own weight and their overall greatness, it has nothing to do with H2H unless the two fighters in question fought at the same weight.