So Wilder will be the lineal champion when he wins in a few weeks?

Yes. Deontay Wilder will be the Lineal Heavyweight Champion if he beats Tyson Fury.

If he can do it, it will be a wonderful accomplishment. If he doesn't do it in a couple weeks, he'll have a second chance to do it when he exercises the rematch clause.

Either way, the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP will be on the line in Wilder's next two fights.

 

Wlad was not shot, past his prime yes, but not shot. Shot fighters don't hold the WBA, WBO and Ring Lineal championships and go undefeated for 11 years like Wlad was the night Fury beat him.

 

Fury is the old lineage and it ended when he couldn't defend the belts. Joshua is the new linage because he has all the belts that Fury had and you have to go through him to claim that linage. Fury is just a former champion.

 

Why do i never see Fury walking round or showing off his Lineal Belt?

 

I'm not criticising anybody's points, but these two posts have just summed up why the whole concept has become so stupid. Completely opposite points of view and who's to say who is right or wrong?

FWIW, Wilder will have a claim to linear status if he beats Fury, but it could easily be argued that Wlad was never lineal to start with, since he never held the WBC. On a practical note, regardless, the fact is that Fury has spent three years eating, drinking and blowing coke. Beating him at this stage is not enough to give Wilder more of a claim to championship status than Joshua, who has won more belts and beaten better opposition in half the number of fights.

 

Tyson Fury won the Lineal Championship in the ring by outpointing Wlad Klitschko.

Anthony Joshua's belts (ALL OF THEM) were the belts taken from Tyson Fury OUTSIDE THE RING after he beat Wlad, including the IBF belt, which was taken from Fury like a month after he won it.

Anthony Joshua has no claim to the Lineal title.

You win the Lineal Title inside the ring. Not in a board room.

 

The only way Joshua could start a new lineage would be it he unified by beating Wilder for all of the belts, pre-Fury. It’s absurd to even suggest that Joshua is lineal because Martin and Parker were pretenders to begin with. Wilder is much better than them, regardless of if you like him.

 

Did he? Wlad never held the WBC. The point of a linear title is that you are supposed to hold all four of the belts. This is before you even bring in the argument that Fury has tested positive in drug tests so his win over Klitschko ought not to count at all.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but you see how easily it can be manipulated to mean whatever somebody wants it to mean.

 

There's only 1 champion coming into this fight and it's Wilder.
And that's the only thing on the line.

 

Then who did Klitschko beat in the ring to become lineal?

 

It also means jack ****. Its nothing more than a silly status that actually means nothing. It sounds like something that picks out the king from the pack, the stand out guy, just passing it around based on one guy winning 1 fight pisses on what it may of once meant.

 

No, it's not. That's probably why you are confused.

There have been LINEAL champions going back more than a hundred years who didn't hold all the recognized titles.

There have always been "belts" and titles bestowed by different orgs (from Police Gazette belts to recognition by the National Boxing Association and New York and the British Boxing Board of Control, and the alphabet belts, and Ring belts). Few fighters ever had ALL of them.

A guy didn't have to have ALL of them to be considered the LINEAL champ. He just had to beat the reigning LIneal Champ ... who could have no "belts" at all.

And, if the champ retired and never returned, it was started again when the TWO recognized top fighters faced off to start the lineage over again.

It's easy.

It has nothing to do with the number of belts you hold. NOTHING at all. It never did.

 

Adonis Stevenson has been the lineal Champion since 2013....which really goes to show how worthless the "Lineal champion" tag is.

 

Andre Ward is actually lineal....The lineage was transferred when he beat Rodriguez.

 

Technically, Vitali has a great case for edtablishing lineage when he beat Sanders because the 1 and 2 faced off. Vitali retired lineal and Wlad established lineage again by beating the number 2, Povetkin.