So Wladamir Klitschko is fighting a #38 ranked boxer to duck Pulev

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derrick, didn't you claim Wlad will do everything in his power to avoid fighting Povetkin in Russia after the Pianeta fight?

 

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To say that Wladimir avoids fighters is ridiculous, anyone saying that sort of thing has absolutely no idea of the mechanics of boxing. Who exactly has he avoided? IMO there are currently two meaningful fights for him, Pulev and Wilder, if Tyson Fury can beat a top tenner then he moves into the mix. For what its worth fighters don't avoid other fighters, what happens is their managers, promoters or tv networks can't reach the right financial agreements.

 

Yeah, especially when one fighter wants to duck the other.....

 

I've given you an exact date. He was #9 as late as June.

 

Can we really say Helenius is better than Boystov?

I can't say that for sure.

 

Tsk. Nobody considers the Leapai fight a big or an important one. Wlad is just coming from a win over the olympic gold medallist and number two in the division. In the next months he'll face Pulev, and next the winner of Arreola/Stiverne II. The winner of Fury/Chisora will be next.

There's no reason to get mad if Alex Leapai has managed to become mandatory in an ABCDE belt.

I mean, those things happens, look at Wilder, he is ranked #3 by the We Be Crooks organization since months without having ever faced a top 30.

But i'd bet the screaming little whiners here wouldn't be as mad if Wlad had to defend against Wilder instead of Leapai.
Which would be a weaker fight, anyway.

 

I believe that Helenius was better than Boytsov and he was certainly widely considered better. He was clearly a top 10 fighter, even now he's rated #5 by the Ring for some strange reason (right now pretty impossible to justify).

Although Chisora should've won against Helenius, on paper his best win is Malik Scott, who was never inside the top 20, much less top 15 or 10. You could argue that Scott was somewhere around the 20th spot at the time he fought Chisora which was his peak ranking, but that victory is nowhere near Boytsov who was around 10th spot and arguably inside top 10 at the time Leapai defeated him.

 

Its a mandatory. Pulev will fight Wlad as long as he doesn't lose.

 

Where are you getting all this from?


The winner of Arreola/Stiverne II will have to fight Wilder and then Jennings is in line after that.

The WBC isn't going to allow Wlad fight for their belt while he is holding every other belt in the division so the arguement that he is fighting Leapai so he can hold all the belts is a load of bull****.

How do you know Pulev is next? Wlad never uttered a single word about Pulev ever. He wants nothing to do with him. Thats why he is fighting Leapai.
Leapai had to take time out after Boystov due to injury. No problem for Wlad. He was happy to wait around for him so he wouldn't have to face Pulevatsch

 

That's fair but I'm not convinced on Helenius being better than Boystov. For starters he's been even less active. He showed good power but far more crude, Boystov to his credit at least flashed promising skills when he was being touted as a hot prospect. Helenius showed world class power but has looked otherwise helpless, a washed up Liakhovich using him as a punching bag until the knockout was certainly troubling.

Glad we see eye to eye on the last paragraph. Dominating Boystov is about as good a single "official" win as any of the other contenders bar Pulev have at the moment, the only reason Leapai isn't being took seriously is because he was not regarded highly before the fight. If say someone in good standing like Fury destroyed Boystov like that, it would be getting hype.

 

Well at least Leapai looks like a killer compared to Pulevs next opponent....Elijah McCall!

His dad would still be a better opponent!

 

Mongoose - Helenius is a lot better than Boystov. If you go to my web site it will educate you, there is a lot of statistical information on there on every division. it shows which fighter has faced the highest ranked opponents and the fighters who have faced poor opposition. It is a web site of facts I suspect anyone who visits it once will return. I cant post the link but if you type independentworldboxingrankings then dot com it will get you there. It sorts a lot of the who fought better opponents arguements, though the naysayers will no doubt argue about its validity. (it is based on lineal performance)