Some Calzaghe Fans Are Starting To Sound Like Mayweather Fans

i thought he said he wasnt interested to be the 3rd guy to beat jones, jones was already a leftover of tarver and johnson.

 

I have many times, I'll respond to your post.

Abraham will want him to throw at high volume, as it gives him his countering oppurtunities, which sometimes are wide yes, but he also displays good timing and good delivery speed when he counters at the right opening. Pavlik is not the most accurate around, he's a volume puncher and it's not hard to make him miss, Taylor did it a lot in the 2nd fight and he's not known for defensive prowess.

Pavlik is expected to control the tempo against Abraham and lead with more work, this however is not an advantage, it's what Abraham prefers.

He won't match what Pavlik does, won't need to either.

The difference being that Abraham has proven a very good chin, proven he can absord punishment very good and still come back with his own work.

Pavlik being a volume puncher, doing damage in accumulation is not the same as Abraham crushing guys with single blows.

Picking Abraham on styles is wise, because Pavlik will fall right into Abraham's counter bombs, being that he is not a competent defensive fighter and has shown chin vulnerability. Pavlik also fights in 1 manner, everytime, come forward behind the jab and throw lots of punches, gate keeper level fighters tag him, an accurate guy like Abraham will also and I believe he'll deal the KO blow to Pavlik.

Abraham does better against guys that come right at him than guys he has to chase, Pavlik is the former.

Much of boxing analysis is opinion off of what people see and view, some stuff is very much common sense though, not opinion if you know what you are dealing with.

 

Nothing to gain and everything to lose.. Pavlic has two defenses of his title and a resume full of ???? and what makes matter worse he not even known..

There lots of undefeated prime fighters but it doesn't mean he will be great with in the next year or so.. Lacy was even bigger then Pavlic is now when joe beat him and it not considered Joe's greatest win to date..


Pavlic the next big supper ?!?!?!? thats yet to be seen ... but dealing in the here and now He's not a big supper star.

 

True but it more then likely the only real money fight out there .. unless he fights Tarver ... lets face it JC legacy is done and sealed he looking for the cash cow before he shakes the spot.

 

It may give him more openings to counter, but for someone who does not throw a whole lot, it'll give him more time to guard up instead. The success Taylor had does not mean AA will have similar. Way different styles. Whether AA prefers what you claim is irrelevent. If you're just going to continue to try and say what they prefer, back it up with something. You're opinion means nothing. Unless it's backed by solid proof or examples.

That's not you're call to make. But obviously he won't match Pavlik Punch for punch. It would be a terrible mistake to try and do so. He needs to fight HIS fight, not Pavlik's, if he has any chance to win. Solid defense, and clean, crisp counters up high and low. IF he can do so, he has a much better shot as winning. But whether he will is not your call to make.

Very true. AA's chin is great and he has more heart then most other fighters. But being known for a solid chin doesn't promise anything.

No it's not the same. But that doesn't mean Pavlik cannot KO guys w/ one punch. In case you didn't notice, he's still getting better.

Again....you saying what WILL happen is moot. He'll just fall into a counter bomb? Hate to tell you this, but AA telegraphes his bombs a little too much for my comfort. Can see them coming. So he'll probably land some of those, but it's the ones you don't see that really hurt you. AA still punches wide and has average speed at best.

And yes, Pavlik does gat tagged by gate keeper level opponents. Remind me which fights AA went through where he fought guys who didn't lay a glove on him at all please. Every single fighter gets hit.

It's likley none of those guys you are talking about were as good as Pavlik is.

A proper boxing analysis comes from watching the fighters and making an UNBIASED prediction backed with specific examples. You don't do that. 95% of the time you just say what will or won't happen, or that so and so is just better. And people are just supposed to take what you say as fact?

ANyway, like I said, when it comes to Pavlik and Taylor, you're Bigtime9. You're Pacdbest. Comepletely irrational with no objectivity. You vest so much into your faves, put so much emotion, you just cannot be taken serious on certain fighters.

Whether I agree with you or not, appreciate the response BTW. :smoke

 

Who cares how his resume seems? Is that all you ****in look at? Look at the FIGHTER himself instead. This isn't a resume contest. Gee...who's Baldomir beat before Judah..atsch

But hey, YOU think Pavlik would be a meaningless win. Run with that. :roll:

 

ACB, many fans are the same. Their rhetoric will just change depending on which position their fighter is in.

 

Abraham likes to block punches more than to make people miss which is not a good idea against a volume puncher that throws straight. It makes more sense to pick Pavlik on style because he has advantages such as: height, reach, better jab and is very effective against fighters that don't keep the fight at the center of the ring.

 

be ****ing serious lance .. who didn't joe not fight at 168 , he went 10 years 44-0 at 168 and finished undisputed liner champ at 168 buy beating the two top rated 168 pounders in lacy and Kessler .. His legacy is signed sealed and delivered ... PERIOD .. Was the 168 deep ??? No but that not his fault ..but he did beat the best that 168 devision had to offer and again going undefeated in the process.. Legend /Future hall of fame

Pavlic is just starting out and has nothing under his belt except Taylor and 2 title defenses ..



if Pavlic beat Joe he gets a legend and future hall of famer on his mantel, if Joe beat Pavlic he get a belt against a unknown champ and a less the lucrative pay day .. Hardly a equal trade off ..

And Hardly worth the risk for a future hall of fame fighter on his way out for good.

do I think a fight with Pavilk is meaning less? ...Yup .. what has he done to prove other wise .

 

Joe and Floyd paid their dues man....they have reached a point where they are in control from a buisiness point which boxing is alot of buisiness...you can't blame them...now i know boxing wise they have made questionable decisions but i mean i think both have fought long and hard enough to choose their fights and hell if Cal beats RJ and Pav continues his streak as big as the fight would be now......its bigger after all this...same with Floyd....its clearly forming up for Cotto to be a cash cow if he nixes Margo and i believe he'll face ODLH then we will see the mega fight of Cotto vs Floyd 09 sometime and as big as it would be now it's bigger later....if things go as planned...i just think the two fights will happen just not when the fans want them...which is RIGHT NOW.....todays era it just doesnt work that way.

 

The situation here is totally different, Pavlik is the undisputed middleweight champion who agreed to move up for this fight and is coming off major victories he wasn't expected to win. Margarito(if that's who you're referring to) hardly did anything major in the welterweight division, with all do respect to his fans Baldomir was the undisputed champion instead, which is why that fight was declined. Also you have to remember that it was Zab Judah who Floyd was targetting when he moved up, a fight everyone wanted to see FAR more than a Ricky Hatton(who declined) fight and not many thought Floyd had the guts to go there. It's not his problem Zab lost and the undisputed champion and man to beat became Baldomir. :deal

 

I am being serious. IF you think beating Pavlik is meaningless...then there's no point to continue. atsch

But I'll humor you. What part of this is supposed to make sense :"if Pavlic beat Joe he gets a legend and future hall of famer on his mantel, if Joe beat Pavlic he get a belt against a unknown champ and a less the lucrative pay day". Are all fights supposed to be equal to you? That statement can only come from an Mayweather apologist. But even that doesn't make sense. You don't think beating a young stud like Pavlik is impressive. You think all fights needs to have 50-50 reward. So if Pazvlik lost to joe, and went on to still win more titles, that would still be a meaningless win? You never made much sense as fan. :-(

 

Gezz this is about Joe and Pavlic not floyd , Floyd retired and done, get off the man's nuts. And thats IF Pavlic goes on to win more titles "IF" .. IF and maybe is not the present ..

Are All fights suppose to be equal to me ??? "Yes"

Especially at this stage of Joe career when he's on his decline physically and lets face it the only thing Joe has left is his legacy I don't care what anybody says he on his way down ..

He's already beaten two young bucks in Lacy and Kessler and both have accomplished more then Pavlic even at this stages of there careers so what would be new with pavlic ?

Joe is a Old fighter, fighting and even older fighter on there way out the door to greener pastures .. Joe fighting Roy is just a show nothing more , nothing less .. one last chance for Roy to redeem himself and one last payday for Joe .. let the two old guys fight and be on there way and let the young guys fight each other and build there own legacy.

If pavlic want a shot at the legend then he and bob need to pay, pure and simple .. There are plenty of fights out there for pavlic to build his own legacy with .. he can start with any of these names ...Kessler , Bute, Mundane and Lacy or he can start with the man in his own back yard with Abraham and Wright . So there more then enough Legacy fights out there for kelly that he doesn't need to chase an old horse like Joe to make a name for himself.

in short, let OLD Joe go and let kelly fight the other YOUNG lions out there.

 

Because Cal knows theres no way in hell some one dimensional fight er like Pavlik can beat him.

 

No **** he's retired. MY point obviously went over your head.

That OLD Joe is only 36 and is FAR from spent. Is that all you look at? A #? Sorta how you just look at resumes for names right?

The rest of your post is practically the same nonesense that you post when defending Floyd. Nice wagon... :roll: