Some Interesting Averages About Heavyweight Champions

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  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    That was a more butchered version of the Ali shuffle than a 50 year old Tyson did on the spot
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, I’m sure Marciano's Ali shuffle would have put Joshua to shame.
     
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  3. Seamus

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    In case you didn't notice, I combed news articles about Marciano's training and they were amazingly consistent about his road work... 5-6.5 miles a day combination of running and swift walking. Not 10 miles. Not 15 mile. Let's stick to verifiable reports.
     
  4. Nighttrain

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    There is a wider variation in the food produced. While there has been a decline in standard factory farmed and mass produced higher quality food is also available to those willing able to pay for it..
     
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  5. Nighttrain

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    Ok, this has me confused. Is the argument that he would inherently be able to move like Muhammad Ali?! Perhaps Ali was special?
     
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    Rest assured with today’s modern “supplementation “ low testosterone is a nonissue.
     
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  7. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    His own family confirmed that right before the fight he would increase the distance to 12-15 miles. It's widly known and accepted. Tyson would run 5 miles and gassed. Dempsey ran 7 and gassed. Marciano ran 5-6 a day when he didn't have a fight coming up, THEN he increased to 8-10, THEN a few weeks before the fight he'd climax the roadwork at 12-15 miles.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    His blowhard brother who had a vested interest in Marciano Myth making talked about the 15 miles.

    Earlier, I reference 5 news articles from inside fight camps that gave the distance of his roadwork at 5-6.5 miles a day. One gave his entire training day which honestly didn't seem that grueling. I gave newspapers and reporter names. I can give dates, too. You must come up with something better than Peter Marciano for your reference.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    I don't accept its widely known or accepted.Nor do I accept that Tyson gassed after5 miles, and Dempsey gassed after7.Dempsey was known for strong roadwork. Source for all these claims please?
     
  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    I can give you a few references too:

    http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/showthread.php?t=147889

    http://rippeder.com/content/rocky-marcianos-training

    http://www.oocities.org/colosseum/Arena/1047//stamina.html

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    http://www.rosstraining.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33464

    https://www.*******.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300562

    And it's in "Undefeated: Rocky Marciano's fight for perfection in a crooked world"

    It is WIDELY known that Marciano would run 12-15 miles before a fight (not everyday of course, just reach it). Not only that, but wailing away at a 300lbs heavybag (I can provide proof of that too) for hours, going to a pool and throwing underwater punches for a ridiculous amount of time. He would do sprints uphill. He would do calisthenics after his normal boxing workouts. He would take a giant stone in the yard and toss it across a ditch.

    How do you explain him going 15 rounds with Ezzard Charles, throwing 100+ punches in the final round, and still not even looking tired?

    "Rocky Marciano had the endurance to go 20 rounds, he could knock you out in the 20th round."

    "He had to train and be in better condition than his opponent, otherwise he wasn't going to win"

    Denying his brother as proof is fine, but how about Lou Duva? Angelo Dundee?

    He was like a monk when he trained. No contact with his wife. No new foods. No shaking hands. No talk of the opponent. No sneaking off. Rest, train, eat, rest. And you say it's not grueling? Who are you to say that? He had an immense workload, all to get him into incredible conditioning.
     
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  11. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Someone needs to read Championship Fighting, Dempsey didn't do alot of long distance roadwork. He did alot of sprinting and calisthenics, however.

    I didn't mean they gassed after running. I meant that's all their roadwork was, and they'd gas because of it.

    Tyson only ran 5 miles, Dempsey only ran 7, in order to go 15 rounds at a grueling pace, you need more roadwork. 15 miles did the trick.

    Oldschool boxers like Jeffries and Fitzsimmons would run similar distances, so it's not out of the question
     
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  12. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Why is there like a 50/50 chance that the link wont work on this forum
     
  13. Seamus

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    Dude, a bulletin board cut n paste, a herk n jerk muscle mag and an alleged quote from Rocky's press agent aren't exactly great sources.

    I have provided contemporary newspaper accounts of Rocky's training camp. Primary sources. Named reporters. During training camp. They are extremely consistent on his roadwork regimen.

    Perhaps we need a myth making board to separate that discussion from one about boxing.
     
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  14. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Links?
     
  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Also the documentaries are primary sources too