Some Observations On Martinez's Tools & Tactics Against Macklin

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    There are a few things I found interesting when watching Martinez work against Macklin last night. It seems he's made a few slight improvements/adjustments, and there's a pattern in his strategy that I've picked up on.

    First off, Martinez has tightened up his guard well. We've seen him adopt a loose but effective guard when he needs it, particularly when in the pocket against fighters like Paul Williams, but in the Barker fight, it was lacking. We all know Martinez's style has inherent risks considering his hands are at his side, but his biggest mistakes were stepping straight back after an exchange with little effective parrying. In this fight, whenever Martinez found himself in close quarters with Macklin, he was able to block and parry punches much more effectively before circling out and leaving "out the side door." (This was probably also easier since Macklin was the aggressor, and Barker at times was making Sergio lead in ways that made him uncomfortable.)

    The more interesting observation I made was Sergio's lateral movement. Conventional wisdom says that you want to circle away from a fighter's power hand, and if they are a southpaw, establish lead foot positioning, but there are clearly exceptions in which doing the opposite has strategic benefits. Roach for example often instructs Manny that if he circles left, to step all the way out and make the fighter follow. In other cases, the opponent is a convert. In this case, Martinez was constantly circling towards Macklin's right side, and seemed to largely nullify Macklin's offense for long stretches of time. The only time he really paid for having his foot on the inside was the right hand knockdown as their legs got tangled. Macklin was putting up a great effort by jabbing, moving his head, feinting, but I noticed that if he didn't land the jab on his way in, he wasn't comfortable. Against Sturm, he was able to easily get inside on a largely static fighter, and land a stiff jab between his high guard before hammering him to the body. Macklin isn't a very jab-happy fighter, but against a mobile and long fighter like Martinez, rear-hand leads aren't going to do much before they're already picked up on. After watching Martinez have so much success by moving towards the inside/right side of Macklin and taking away the space for him to land his left jab, it reminded me of a Golpe A Golpe translation I did in which he employed a similar tactic against Dzinziruk, a southpaw:

    Martinez: There was one move, one move that was key.


    JMM: Tell us.


    Martinez: It was my movement to his left, because he based his boxing on the jab. If I moved this way (Martinez's left,) he wouldn't stop working the jab. So I had to move here to the other side.


    Announcer Dude: So you moved like a right-handed fighter. The opposite.


    Martinez: No, well...my placements are a bit strange, you know.


    JMM: Here, I'm just the referee. Let me make myself over here so that you guys have more space.


    Martinez: So what I had to do was keep moving this way (Martinez's right), because his left, it didn't come out. The left was thrown very few times, and it's been like that all his career. So I said, let me move to this side, evade the jab, and when I can, work on the inside.


    JMM: That's how we saw it on video, that's how you knocked him down two times, how you connected with two such potent straight lefts.


    Announcer Dude: A change of angles.


    Martinez: Exactly. Change the angle, and I let him work a little-well as I fight, with my guard down, I put out a an invite, and when I come out (slips jab), I now have everything.

    Martinez's mobility in that fight was great, and little things like these make me respect his Ring IQ even more, considering his unorthodox approach. I'll have to watch the fight again, since I was missing a few parts, running around for things during a party and rushing back to my friend's laptop (yes, I was that guy.) More insight as to the tactics and key punches used in the fight would be great discussion.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Boggle

    Boggle Grozny State Of Mind Full Member

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    After this fight I was asking myself if Sergio Martinez was beating his opponents with anything aside from his elite athleticism. The guy's 37 but he moves like he's 27. He's fast and has great reflexes which he relies on heavily. If I recall he started dropping his hands as early as the end of the first round, definitely by the second round. He always does that, he starts out with his guard up until he's comfortable enough to just drop it completely.

    I was watching the fight with friends who DKSAB and they asked me what to expect. I said that Martinez is going to take a few rounds to figure this guy out before he starts coming on strong in the mid to late rounds when he will get a stoppage. That's what he does and I think it's ****ing great. It's nice to be able to say that to people and have it come true with all the god awful disappointments and stinkers in the sport.

    I have to watch the fight again. That bit from Golpe A Golpe is interesting. He was able to slip Macklin's shots while landing some serious bombs. He's a clever fighter, but is he a technical fighter? You certainly wouldn't teach somebody in the gym to fight like Sergio Martinez.
     
  3. Bogotazo

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    And just for fun, here are some cool HBO pictures with shots that involve what I'm talking about:

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  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    It does feel great when you can explain something like that and have it play out in front of them. When you're not familiar with what your watching, it's easy to make simplified assumptions.

    And I think that a technical fighter is a term that should be used for anyone that uses effective tactics in the ring. He's unconventional, doesn't practice certain fundamentals, but he's certainly technical in what he does. Punch placement, footwork, distance, form, knowing what counters to use, knowing whether to slip to the inside or outside, etc...these things are what separate a talented fighter from a truly elite one. It's the same reason why I consider the constant underrating of RJJ's technical boxing ability due to his unorthodox use of athleticism to be very dismissive and simplified.
     
  5. Boggle

    Boggle Grozny State Of Mind Full Member

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    I was actually trying to spark some of the debate that came up in the Classic threads about speed and athleticism vs technical ability. You're right, clearly Sergio's doing a lot of things right and has the phenomenal tools to be the unconventional fighter that he is.
     
  6. qwert

    qwert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Martinez was thrown off his gameplan by Macklin's tactics. Macklin fought completely differently to how he fought against Sturm. He was much more cautious, using a lot of upper body movement and throwing effective feints, not letting Martinez settle into a rhythm. The way Martinez turned it on after being knocked down was very impressive, he closed out the show like a true champion.
     
  7. SJS19

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    Martinez is unorthodox technicality wrapped around an athletic shell.

    His athletic ability allowed him to move to his left but constantly alter the range as he did so.
    Very tired, and I've only seen the fight once so I won't comment further. Great thread again Bogo, may well come back to it tomorrow.
     
  8. SJS19

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    Martinez is a strange one, looking at him I can see 2 or 3 ways for a talented fighter to beat him, but I don't for a second; think it'd be that easy.
     
  9. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    I'm pissed, but I will be back in this thread tomorrow. I will add this for now though.

    Martinez looked average for long periods of this bout, he didn't look elite at all. However, he did step it up 2-3 levels when he needed to, which does separate good against elite.

    When you talk about his movement to the left, rather than placing his foot on the outside of Macklins...from your post, I took that you were implying that he was successful with this tactic, when in truth IMO he wasn't. He received a knockdown, he was caught off balance a couple of times, he was reaching. He had limited success with this tactic. Macklin had success because off this, especially with his right hand.
     
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  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I'll have to rematch the fight, but it appeared to me that the foot positioning was only a liability up close, because while Macklin did land a good few shots with his right, it was nothing compared to how we've seen other southpaws eat right hands when in range like candy. Macklin had success being very cagey with his movements and advancement, but I expected him to throw much more, and he seemed to not know where to start a lot of times. I will keep your comments in mind however when I re-watch the fight. Maybe he would have done better going to his right, but I imagine him running the risk of eating jabs and getting crowded with Macklin expecting him to go that way. I generally prefer when fighter's establish lead foot positioning though, but I was just recognizing the fact that it's very likely a conscious decision that he made, and I'm curious as to the reasons behind it, so I tried to draw a parallel.
     
  12. SweetHome_Bama

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    Martinez has one strategy land his left hand, if you aren't an idiot and to circle into it and keep him at bay with a jab, he will look terrible like he did against UK bums Macklin and Barker.
     
  13. AnthonyW

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    I think it was a consious decision that Martinez employed moving to his left. He did have success a couple of times with it from what I remember, but I also remember his most success coming when he claimed superior foot position outside of Macklin's, e.g. slipping Macklin's jab, whilst simultaneously landing his straight left.

    Now there is no denying that Macklin may not have expected Martinez to circle left, but I still saw a sloppy Martinez in there because of this particular tactic :conf
     
  14. RJJFan

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    Agreed on the wide angle moving out when moving to his left. Macklin was doing the conventional attack with the 1-2 well but his right hand was seldom flush because Sergio was too far out.

    However, I think Sergio could really use Jack Lowe's DTFJ strategy to mesmerize Mack and then go to the body, and eventually to the head.