Some Observations On Martinez's Tools & Tactics Against Macklin

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  1. tolomei

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    I agree martinez looked confused by the way Mack came out early. Martinez turned up the pressure after the knockdown, but I think he had more success in the second half of fight because Mack fatigued. Macklin had a great gameplan but lacked the Mental Stamina to implement it for 12 rds.
     
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  2. Boxing Fanatic

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    he was awesome if u ask me. he put on a clinic. did what he does best, fight from the outside, using a lot of feints and fast punches. brilliant. macklin barely touched him
     
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  3. RJJFan

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    If SM starts putting his foot on the outside his opponent's lead foot and use his jab as more than just a counter or a setup, he could be 200% more dangerous. He wouldn't need to run around the ring as much and could keep his opponents from seeing his dangerous left.
     
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  4. tolomei

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    Sergio would not be as effective without all the movement. He looks bad when he has to take the lead( his punching technique sucks and he is very hit table when leading). Plus his movement taxes his opponents stamina badly while seemingly having little effect on his own.
     
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  5. bballchamp11

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    Orthy doing it against a lefty but illustrates what roach and Martinez are talking about:

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  6. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Macklin gassed and couldn't keep up when Martinez turned it up. But both Macklin and Martinez were mutually ineffective during the first half of the fight although Martinez landed the harder counters during that time frame.

    And whoever compared Paul Williams too Chavez Jr., you're nuts. Williams has zero strength or punching power. He's all arm punches, sucker for a left hand, fights low inside then tries to pull straight back for defense but because he's 6'4 it takes forever and gets tagged constantly for it. Smh
     
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  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Thanks, and very valid points; I think that being technically sound doesn't mean that you follow all the rules, but that you know them and know when and how to break them. There's technique involved in slipping inside and throwing a right hook counter even though your hands are down the whole time. Ring General is a better term for fighters like Martinez, who rely a lot on their movement and control of distance, but such skills are technical in themselves, in my view. They require an education in their application.

    Hopefully Martinez makes another appearance on Golpe A Golpe and shows us what his line of thinking was in terms of direction in circling and whatnot.
     
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  8. SJS19

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    You know what, give me Chavez Jr; and I think I could beat Martinez.
     
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  9. Bogotazo

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    After re-watching clips of the fight, I noticed that Martinez is circling to his left, but in doing so, he's maintaining a very wide stance and his lead foot is still on the outside most of the time, even though his head is off-center and crouching towards the inside often. He was still in line to land his left while isolating the jab. When he's all the way to his left, he was successful in walking Macklin into his left hand. I also somewhat take back what I said before; Martinez was landing good lead straights to the body I forgot about. I'd like to see him mix up the right in more, but he doesn't neglect to go downstairs as much as I had thought.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbkTsfFBazk[/ame]

    Macklin fought well enough that I'd want to see him again. I hope he can land a fight against someone like a Kelly Pavlik.
     
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  10. saul_ir34

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    Martinez gets so much crap on here about just being a pure athlete that it is ridiculous. The guy has a good boxing brain and a great corner to help implement it.
    He always makes improvements and is great at doing so midfight.

    PW I. He started with his right hook doing damage. After a while PW was doing good at avoiding it at putting more pressure on. Martinez corner then told him to use the straight left to the body to create space and he did that very successfully and help set up the rest of his offense. He beat PW (unofficially) with 2 weeks notice for the fight.

    Pavlik - He clearly outboxed Pavlik. Only other guy to have done that is Hopkins. Also Hopkins is bigger than Pavlik so he could use size. Martinez was all skill. And please dont say Kelly was drunk during the fight. Dude has always had problems with movers.

    PW II. He destroyed PW with that straight left. His corner even predicted the punch and round they would end it in.

    Dzinziruk to me was extremely impressive. IF anyone knew about Dzinziruk they knew the dude could jab. He has a hell of a jab and Sergio out jabbed him and made him look like he did not belong in the ring with him.

    Barker was a tough fight for him and I have only watched once while on vacation so I was not able to properly analyze.

    Macklin was tough for him at first because like he said he expected a whole different fight. He trained for Macklin to come in a bully him but when he saw that was not happening he pressed and stopped him.

    Keep in mind Sergio is not a big MW and when he has faced full sized MW he looks smaller than them and is usually at a disadvantage against them yet he has stopped all but one. He did make Pavlik mention the words quit though.

    So it is pretty insulting when people say he is just an athlete. How does a JMW athlete dominate and stop full size MWs? Its not on athletecism alone. Its alot of skill involved in those performances.
     
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  11. Bogotazo

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    I fully agree man. I think the same can be said for so many fighters, who are reduced to only being athletic or tough or fast or whatever, when clearly they are thinking things through and figuring out what works best for them and producing the results that get them to where they are at. Martinez is no dummy when it comes to boxing by any means.
     
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  12. Leon

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    Rewatching Sexy Sergio vs Kermit the Frog.

    Sexy Sergio is great at getting his left off even when he doesn't follow conventional wisdom by keeping lead foot position. Tactical move to limit the effectiveness of orthodox jabs.

    Kermit, Pavlik, Barker, and Macklin are the standard type that need to set it all up behind a jab.

    He circles right against southpaws like Tall Paul and Dzinziruk to ease their jabs.
     
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