Some Questions for Carnera advocates

After watching the Loughran v Carnera fight ,he said Carnera would not be able to cope with a puncher and predicted that Baer would stop him,and he was dead right!

 

"Hundreds of fighters are mob controlled and have engaged in fixed fights in which the result was pre-arranged."


I won't ask for hundreds of examples ,how about you give us 10?

 

It would be harder to find one from that era who did not have some sort of links to organised crime!

 

Hundreds of fighters are mob controlled and have engaged in fixed fights in which the result was pre-arranged.I won't ask for hundreds of examples ,how about you give us 10?

Tommy Loughran?
Can we now have your proof that:
Mickey Walker
Ace Hudkins
Maxie Rosenbloom
Jim Braddock
Ace Hudkins
Bob Olin
Leo Lomski
Were controlled by
Bill Duffy and Owney Madden?
And does this apply to Rosenbloom, Olin,and Braddocks trainer, Ray Arcel too?

 

THe Toy Bulldog by John Jarrett explains it.

 

Does it explain
Olin
Rosenbloom
Hudkins
Braddock
too?

 

It's accepted knowledge that Bill Duffy, Owney Madden and the Broadway-based racketeers of the day controlled or part-controlled dozens of world champions and contenders of the day. Madden was massively influential in boxing and in showbusiness.
Most of the top bootleggers had a stable of boxers.
Bill Duffy was a top manager and promoter. Madden tended to keep his name out of the papers and was unofficial manager to fighters and fight promoter.

 

Hundreds of fighters have been matched with dive artists and palookas and has-beens lacking any desire to win, in obscure arenas to build them up into contenders.
Even in the television era.
It's not unusual.

 

Ray Arcel was a good friend of Owney Madden and trained fighters for him.
Madden had a piece of a lot of fighters.
Arcel even arranged to have Jack Kid Berg box an exhibition inside the walls of Sing Sing mainly for the pleasure of Mr.Madden who'd been sent back there.

 

I think you would have to be very unworldly and naive to assume any prewar champion who had over 70 or so fights that included a consistent knockout streak at the early part of his career recorded only legitimate wins in competitively matched bouts.

 

The "mob" guys were in boxing before Primo Carnera came along, and a long time after.
Dubious "knock-outs" to pad records were common, and still are.

 

It obviously looks at the subject mainly from the point of view of Walker's involvement with them and the fighters that they controlled. In the chapter about the Leo Lomski bout it lists the fighters that they controlled at one time or another.

 

Bill Duffy was an operating gangster with several convictions and a night club owner in Prohibition era, and one of Owney Madden's close associates and jailbird comrade. He was part of the Broadway-based "mob".
He knew the boxing game pretty well as was in the big-time long before Primo Carnera came along.

Duffy was with Jack Dempsey certainly by 1927, working Dempsey's corner in his comeback fights that year. I think he handled some of Dempsey's exhibition tour in 1931 too.

Boxing in the 1920s and '30s was made up of people like Duffy. The "rackets" and the boxing business were barely disinguishable. Very few of the top managers and promoters were not connnected to mobsters, and many of them WERE mobsters themselves.
None of this was a secret.

For some reason, Primo Carnera's failings as a boxer made him as scapegoat for all this "mobster" stuff.
I think Carnera being a "hapless giant" really captured the imagination. It still does.

 

Ironically modern thinking would assume that today any world class 260lb heavyweight would crush every cruiserwight legitimately. Back then something had to be wrong about it.

 

I've asked for 10 examples out of the "hundreds of fighters ,"you say were "mob controlled and engaged in fixed fights". Do I get them or not?