Some say the blueprint to beating Tyson was fighting like Tillis did. Would Ali have beaten Tyson?

The 37 year old Larry Holmes who was kayoed by Tyson bares very little if any resemblance to the Ali who fought Terrell and Williams. Just saying.....

 

Excellent post. RIGHT ON POINT!

Another terrific post. Kudos s. You're cutting through these Tyson nutjobs like Ali and especially Clay would to Tyson.

 

Cool. We agree on something!

 

Tyson's chin is far superior to Frazier's. I don't care how much you hate Iron Mike or how misinformed you are. ETM seems to think...I really don't know what he's thinking, to be honest.

 

Holmes was flying around the ring those first 4 rounds. Obviously he couldn't keep it up, no one could, because once he sat down on his punches he got steamrolled.

 

So because Tyson was 23 he's not allowed to show up out of shape even though it's been documented that he cut training camp and flew to New York to party? Oliver McCall, Trevor Berbick and Greg Page all said the same thing. Is that all made up bullshet by Tyson fans?

Are you trolling? Because you're repeating the same lines that the Tyson Hating Crusaders and their leader Teddy Atlas usually spew.

 

To beating a green Tyson, sure.

But a prime Tyson of 87 to 88?

It's much more difficult

 

He was also lengthier and harder to get too...you guys want to ignore distance here. Footwork alone is not going to do much against a ring cutter like Tyson who even knew he would have done that.

Guys over 6'3 would make it more difficult for any 5'10 guy BC it slows down and makes it harder for combination punching to land BC of having to cover that distance.

If Ali had such magnificent reflexes why was he hit all the time? Why was Tyson hard to land punches on on? Do you really think the match favors Ali just based on that? Nope.

 

You need to take off those nostalgic beer goggles off. Sure Ali below 210 is maybe even faster in combos than Tyson...but do you really think 200/205 Ali beats up Tyson?

The hard truth for you guys the Ali who fought Foreman stands the best chance...you guys just don't want to admit that BC then it dismisses the agendas on here that Ali in the 60's was a perfect fighter.

You are a clear example on here who think Ali is the only HW to ever have fast hands and that's probably BC you watched clips of Ali while cossell was commentating? You probably think Ali really knocked out Superman too in that comic book from the 70's? Lol

 

Tyson had reasonable stamina but one would never mistake him for Joe Frazier, that's for sure. Tyson's output usually dropped off pretty quickly if someone got past the initial blitzkrieg. Frazier by comparison was relentless.

Citing Tyson's stoppage of Holmes as evidence he wouldn't let Ali off the hook is absurd. He was not even remotely the (and i quote) "great" Larry Holmes, he was over the hill.

It's still notable but in no way empirical for peak matches.

 

Tyson wasn't exactly known for stopping people in the latter rounds. The likes of Smith and Tucker cruised thru the later rounds and Holyfield dominated.

 

Please. Tyson is given due credit for the win but everyone who knows anything about boxing knows it was a WAY past it version of Holmes.

Holmes was in loads of hard fights, he isn't the dancing machine some seem to think.

Truth be told swarmer or not Tyson had a much easier time than Holmes. Holmes had to go to war against Norton to win the title, went deep against Weaver, deep against Witherspoon and then you had tough fights against the likes of Smith and Bey when he had significantly declined.

Tyson barely got hit, knocked people out fast and at other times cruised against guys just looking to survive. What wars was Tyson in pre Douglas? Douglas was his first tough gig. Full credit to him getting decent fighters out of there so early and often but the fact is not many miles were put on him in the actual ring.

 

No, not neccessarily one bit. Incredible that you are comparing a Larry Holmes who couldn't even beat Michael Spinks and coming off a long layoff to peak Ali. Says it all really.

 

ETM's right on the money. He's posting intelligently without bias or hero worship and does not have a horse in the race.

 

If he was over the hill by the time Tyson got to him in 1988, he should have been over the hill for Ray Mercer, Evander Holyfield, Oliver Mccall in the 90's, why was Tyson able to knock him out but not the likes of Mercer, Holyfield and Mccall?

If Henry Cooper can drop Ali in his prime badly with a left hook, so can Tyson

And please we all saw how relentless Frazier was against Foreman, he would struggle very badly against a fast starter and a murderous combination puncher like Tyson.